Do not want to be rude but who is Pauline Read & what exactly happened

northcyprus74


Joined: 11/01/2012
Posts: 275

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 20:31

Ok I do not want to be rude, but what exactly happened to Pauline Read?



Can someone please either post a link, or explain to me in detail what has happened and why to Pauline Read.....................

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 20:46

I give up!



pollymarples I will this one for you

northcyprus74


Joined: 11/01/2012
Posts: 275

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 20:55

No need to be rude Mr. V



Asked a question expected an answer not a stupid '' I give up!'' answer



Saw a link on a previous thread but it did not do into much detail, as I have been away for a few weeks I was just wondering who she was and what exactly happened!

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 21:53

If you got lots of time, there are many threads on this forum, telling you her story and also

http://northcyprusfreepress.com

or google her

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/03/2012 23:28

northcyprus74 (mess 3)



It's Mrs V to you and I'm never rude, just honest!

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 05:41

Pauline, herself, details what has happened in this resolution:



http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/03/12/akfinans-bank-v-pauline-read-trnc-resolution-committee-report/

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 08:03

This link may be useful for back ground information of the property issue in regard to Pauline Reads intimidators.



http://agabuyersactiongroup.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/trnc-law-firm-accuses-akfinans-bank-of-breaking-property-laws/

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 14:25

I think she is fighting for the rights of the victims to be heard loud and clear.



http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/03/11/akfinans-bank-if-the-truth-cannot-be-silenced-then-deport-it/



She like so many have lost so much. But never give up hope if their is a chance someone somewhere maybe can do something to change things. Its my view that is what she is trying her utmost to do. JMHO.



Spider,X

SWCathy


Joined: 22/11/2011
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:33

7 British people at Incesu bought in 2006/7. They paid ALL payments except the last one (up to £90k) and were due to take posession in 2009.

NONE have got their houses

NONE have got their deeds

NONE have been able to live in their houses

ALL the houses are now in disrepair

The houses have:

NO road

NO water

NO gas

NO Electric

NOTHING

THEY bought and paid and they have NOTHING!!!!!

6 YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING!!!!!!

AND THEY ARE STILL WAITING!!!!!!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:37

SWCathy



Join the club of 100's at Amaranta Valley except we have been waiting for 9 years!!

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:39

msg 5; ...It's Mrs V to you and I'm never rude, just honest



mebbe you should look at your reply to my post re. my friend Sandra Kocinki, just a load of insults and name calling in reply to a genuine post. As far as I'm concerned it's good riddance to a nasty piece of work, YOU.



T

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:43

Cathy and TRNCvictim.



Thats a blooming long time. what have you all been doing in the way of fighting all this please ?





Spider,X

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:47

mebbe you don't know me! and mebbe your the nasty one, putting victims name's on an open forum!

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:47

It is not the time to fight each other but to support the cause of Pauline Read.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:50

astro941



Pauline Reed knows I support her cause!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 23:51

Cathy and TRNCvictim.



Thats a blooming long time. what have you all been doing in the way of fighting all this please ?





Spider,X

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 00:07

Does this help you spider?



http://agabuyersactiongroup.wordpress.com/

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 06:59

msg 13; mebbe you don't know me! and mebbe your the nasty one, putting victims name's on an open forum



I have no wish to know you. Sandra's story was told in Cyprus Today. Not such a secret then, eh?

You're just nasty for nasty's sake.



T

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 07:22

Lets keep it civilised please , no need for nastiness

Simbas

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 11:59

Ya said that wi'out smiling, Pat.

Sorry, just get fed up of professionalvictim whining if it looks like sympathy for her is being diluted by other names being mentioned on here. eerrmm, looks like a comma should'a gone in there, somewhere.



T



ps I don't know who Pauline Read is, either, northcyprus74,

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 12:04

is that better Tony

Pat

SWCathy


Joined: 22/11/2011
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 15:36

Spider

I have been to the courts every fortnight for the past few months, whilst living in rented property.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 16:55

I think that the OPs question has been answered.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 19:31

SWCATHY,



Are you any further forward with your property problems? Like many others are you experiencing hearing after hearing or do you feel optimistic that a solution will be found?

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 19:42

To the Op, this may interest you http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/03/17/north-cyprus-talat-kursat-should-not-go-unchallenged-and-unpunished/#comment-39401

SWCathy


Joined: 22/11/2011
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 23:45

The Incesu buyers are no further forward.

Cafer Yucel Gazi took their money and left in March 2009 and never returned.

He has not been in touch with any of them except through a court order stating that they owed him for the concrete used for foundations and swimming pools, tiles for the walls, etc etc etc. There is no concrete and metal used which is why they are now in such a bad condition. Some moved over there to take possession in 2010 and are still renting.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
19/03/2012

Cathy.



Thanks for letting us all understand you situation. As you all know we rent thank goodness. But for the grace of God go I= A property victim.



What I fail to understand is why on earth can you ALL not work together in some way,some how for the benefit of the future. Not just in little groups of complexes that need to continue as individuals with their court cases, But as a whole for the benefit of you all.For some reason we hear very little of progress from the BRS moving things forward. Unless again I have missed something ! The title is who is Pauline Read...Is she fighting all this alone. ?



Spider,X

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 00:51

The problem is that the TRNC is very corrupt and we are all fighting at different times, with different senario's!



Pauline will never fight alone, while I have breath in my body, but for the life of me I can't understand, why victims like SWCathy, want to fight victims like Pauline Read! is beyond my comprehension!



Will there ever been a benefit for us all? I doubt it, the country is embedded in it's own mire! of it's own making!



Whether you love the TRNC or hate the TRNC it really dosen't matter the end result will be the same, nothing for anyone with any self respect! having to continually fight the lowest of life there will eventually take it's toll, there is no justice from the Government down, justice will only come from further afield, never from within the 3000 square miles of unrecognized land, after so many years the TRNC couldn't recognize right from wrong if either slapped it in the face!

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 07:09

mag 28; The problem is that the TRNC is very corrupt and we are all fighting at different times, with different senario's!



"with different scenarios"

Exactly, so why do you keep shoving yours down our throats.

I look at my time here through my eyes, think with my brain. Make my mind up with regard to my experience here. In eight years I don't feel that I've been ripped off any more than I am in UK. I have no personal knowledge of bent builders, advocates or estate agents.

I have only spoken, face to face with one "victim" (who shall remain nameless) this on a flight from UK.

I play in a pool league and visit many places that I wouldn't normally go to. The topic of conversation has never been about TRNC corruption. C44 is about the only place it gets aired. Until I spoke to anon. I had never heard of Amaranta Valley, or Gary Robb. What's happened to you may well be criminal and you may have the sympathy of most members but banging the same drum just gives me a headache.

T

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 08:26

Msg#29



The same experience as myself and the main reason we stopped posting on C44, there is hardly a thread that is started that "Professional Victim" does not jump in and comment.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 08:26

the link given by sloan gives you exactly what happened to Pauline Read, but her case is by no means unique. There are 1400 people in the mortgage queue, which means 1400 purchasers who bought in good faith and then the builder/landowner/develop put a mortgage on their property. The reason they were ablel to do this is because foreigners have to get Permission to Purchase and during the time it takes to obtain it, sometimes years, the property remains in the name of the vendor. A decent builder/landowner/developer would not dream of using something they had sold as security against a loan, but sadly ther are many who are not decent. Add to this the unfinished builds (like Cathy's) the bad builds, the blackmailing for more money to transfer title, those still on builders tariff electricity, no water, memorandums put on by creditors. There are thousands of victims



I find your question strange because there is also A THREAD about Pauline's possible deportation on here at present.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 08:40

The saints. I do not think a victim of Gary Robb's merits being called a professional victim. Professional implies earning something from it and as I see it she has lost thousands and also lost her husband whose illness was exacerbated by the stress. There is no need to be unkind. In any event this thread was started about a victim so if others jump in, do not be surprised.



minertor, we are all happy for you and would trade places with you in a heartbeat, but our story is not as happy as yours. Enjoy you life with my best wishes. No one wants to give you a headache so here is a little tip, if the thread is started by a victim or names a victim or even by its title looks slightly victim related, pass it by, there are so many other topics to choose from. This is our drum and we will bang it as loudly as we please. Try Phensic This is said with love.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 08:48

northcyprus... Harold 38 and retired. You lucky man.



If you really want to know who Pauline is and what has happened to her, tune in to ADA TV on Wednesday around 8.00 you will not only find out what has happened to her, you will also see her.

A 67 year old MISTRESS (according to Talatkursat) her LOVER (62 her toy boy) will not be appearing. After being together for 28 years he is falling down on the job description nowadays she tells me. This is the level they descended to in their articles in Yeniduzen and Halkin Sesi dated 2 March 2012, when they also described her as an undesirable foreign person and recommended her deportation under law 105.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 14:29

Pollymarples, this thread wasn't started by a victim. It asked a question that I didn't know the answer to, therefore I looked. The first reply was by you know who, in her/his usual insulting vein.

As to "other topics", how many does you know who hijack with her vitriol.

I do not know this person, it could be a GC for all I know, telling lies about TRNC.

If, as you claim, "there are thousands of victims", how come I've only met one in eight years, and I do get about more than most.

Many thanks for the tip about the phensic. We can't all be Saints and bear others burdens.

I do wish you well for the future and hope everything goes as well for you as I would wish for me.

In all honesty I can't wish the same for you know who.

T

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 16:38

You live a charmed life minertor and for that I am truly pleased for you. However during the last few years, builders like Santa Fe, Boyut, Kulaksiz, Sercem, Armacan, Aga Developments (Gary Robb) and many more have been ripping off many many people here in the TRNC. Add to that the builders who have accrued debts and their creditors have put memorandums on people's homes, then you can understand why there are thousands affected.



TRNC victim is a female over 60, she is now a widow thanks the the stress that caused her husbands premature death. She is one of hundreds affected by the Amaranta (Robb) scam, so she is allowed to let off steam, just as we all are. I know you are a caring person but really as I say, now you know who Pauline is, you by pass anything with her name, she will not find it offensive.



Take care and continue to enjoy your life here and we will continue to bang our drum until someone listens or until we die. Or in Pauline's case until she is deported.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 17:53

msg 35; ..........now you know who Pauline is, you by pass anything with her name, she will not find it offensive...........................



Pollymarples, how, from this post, could I possibly know who Pauline is?



Unless you are saying that she is trncvictim. That's what's called an open secret.

I'm pleased that you understand about stress. That's why I think it's best that one deals with one's own problems.

Have sympathy for those less fortunate than yourself, but for your health's sake, don't worry about them.

T

PoshinDevon


Joined: 13/10/2011
Posts: 84

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 18:12

We have been fortunate not to have had the painful experience of some re property purchase in the TRNC; especially TRNC Victim. When asking for general feedback we have found it to be helpful in ensuring that as far as possible we do not make the same mistakes or fall for the same scams. Sadly it seems that every thread with the mere mention of property purchase is being hijacked. A number of threads started by not only myself and others asked specifically for information only from those who had a positive experience purchasing property. Threads were hijacked by the same negative people - this I feel does not help their cause.



So much so that on a number of threads I have deliberately dropped out of the discussion as I felt I had made my point. I have on a couple of occasions felt it sensible that the discussion continued off forum and posted direct to an advertised email. Unfortunately responses received were very aggresive and negative and in the end gave up rational discussion.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 18:23

PoshinDevon, I am sorry you have had negative experiences on C44.

PoshinDevon


Joined: 13/10/2011
Posts: 84

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 18:48

Never mentioned negative experiences, just the same very few names with the same negative views. I believe the majority who post including myself do sympathise with their plight and understand they do need a place to voice their opinion and C44 is such a place....but there comes a time when they have said their piece. A simple request for feedback and advice from only those who have had a positive experience purchasing are always hijacked - that is one of the reasons why people then question their credibility and judgement.



A lot of the discussion/disagreement usually ends up being between two parties only and I dont understand why if both parties have had their say on the forum and advertised their email that they dont continue to discuss in a rational way off the forum.



Not suggesting they would agree with each others point of view but it may be better explained off forum and they could both agree to disagree.

SWCathy


Joined: 22/11/2011
Posts: 292

Message Posted:
19/03/2012 22:21

TRNCvictim: states: 'why victims like SWCathy, want to fight victims like Pauline Read! is beyond my comprehension'



I am not, and never will waste my time fighting Pauline Read/Pollymarples. I do my fighting in the courts.



I do have a lot of respect for Bob French and Richard Barclay both of K5 who have assisted me.

I have the support of Marian Stokes.

I have a good Advocate who is doing a good job.

I do not need any amateurs interferring

The people of Incesu have had enough 'interfearance'.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 00:03

The Saints(mess 30)



Please tell me where I have jumped in on any post of yours apart from the ones where you have been cruel to Julie?



PoshinDevon(mess 37 & 39)



I have had some threatening E Mails from someone on this board which makes me very wary of anyone using my personal E Mail, my address is up there for everyone to know I have only one ID, I might be negative, but I am also honest! this thread isn't exactly a positive one and it isn't about me or my negativity, or my personal E mails or my nastyness, but many have hi-jacked it!



If you think my responses to your mails were aggresive, they certainly were never meant to be, I have the copies for anyone to see!Once again I wish you and your family all the best with your purchase, and I don't need any help for my cause! but thanks for your concern



SWCathy(mess 40)



In that case why do you keep using different names to snipe at her? I wish you and the victims at Incesu the best of luck in the courts!



minertor (me

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 00:07

minertor (mess 36)





?????

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 07:01

United you stand divided you fall?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 07:50

So Cathy, you see Bob and Richard as professionals, interesting. They too fight for justice, we are all amateurs, thrown into a situation by circumstances beyond our control. Whether you choose to believe it or not, Pauline wishes you well and hopes we all live long enough to get justice.



Pauline would be proud to have the tenacity and perseverance that TRNCvictim has, it is funny that they should think she could be you TRNCvic. I wonder how many people on here know that in the UK a victim had to be given witness protection, yes a victim of our most infamous builder of British nationality.



To all property victims, maybe one day we will see and end to this..who knows... until that day we will continue to 'bang the drum' and fight with only only weapons we have, words and truth. God help us all.

All amateurs but all learning as we go.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 08:22

http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/03/20/north-cyprus-property-victims-solution-to-kulaksiz-5-property-problems/



Pauline Read loves this country, how anyone can anyone doubt that.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 14:20

msg 42>minertor (mess 36)









?????



read message 35.



"now you know who Pauline is" How do I ?



T

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 16:17

Msg 36 'sympathy' for victims, It is action and involvement that is required. A victim who has sympathy alone has nothing and will remain a victim.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 16:31

minertor when I said you know who Pauline is, perhaps I should have said you now know her case and what she is all about. Knowing or not knowing who she is, is that important? Suffice to say she is member of the K5 litigation team and has already lost her villa to the bank. You now know she is not TRNC victim. Watch Ada TV around 8.30 the next couple of nights and you will see who she is.



Do you know Marion Stokes, now she is a real fighter and I have great admiration for her. Marion runs

HBPG, have you heard of it?

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 18:11

Home Buyer's Pressure Group. Of course I've heard of it. Once walked to Pia Bella to listen to one of Marion's meetings.



T

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 18:25

minetor, were you the only one there then, see message 34, only met one victim in 8 years, obviously you were joking, what a little tinker you are. Marion deserves a medal for the patience and dedication she has shown towards victims.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
20/03/2012 18:51

Only met one victim but aware of hundreds!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 00:37

Just finished a marathon appearance on Ada TV, joined by yet more bank victims, same bank. Turned into a very interesting programme.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 09:32

msg 50>minetor, were you the only one there then, see message 34, only met one victim in 8 years

I think it must have been in 2006, as we'd walked. Apart from a group of tourists waiting for a coach we were the only people there. Another couple arrived, one I suspected was Marion Stokes. They sat nearby but didn't speak. Over the next hour or so another 3 couples turned up. The last couple asked us if we were joining the group, as they were putting tables together. We opted to sit outside the group. The meeting was quite calm. We left after about 30 mins. Several months later we met S.K. on the plane. She told us about Amaranta Valley and how she travelling was alone, her husband being ill. She was concerned that the car she'd hired was automatic. She told us about KAR and how she sponsored a couple of dogs. We met her there two days later and she showed us round the 5 finger walk. When I say I've only met one victim, this is what I mean by "met". And now "I give up"

T

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 10:17

minertor (mess 53)



"Never Give Up, Never Give In"

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 14:11

Well done to Pauline Read also to all who have helped and supported her of late.



Pauline you never know soon some might be calling you an experienced film star next



Think I will add that I have met Pauline once outside of the courtroom about a year ago. Well I am lead to believe it was her She gave me a warm welcome and I recall sitting at her table..That's about the only time, but I have always had the greatest respect for her and all the members of K5 for all the stress and worry they endure and continue with their fight for justice and a way forward for all who have property problems here.



Spider,X

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 18:48

Pauline was due to appear on another programme tonight, also on ADA but the editor felt it would be better if there were a gap between appearances because two nights in a row would be overkill. Pauline totally agrees with him. The next programme is to major on the abuse, bullying and intimidation levelled at her personally by the advocate and the bank through the press, notably those who carry bank advertising. These banks have refused to give her the right of reply.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 18:57

http://northcyprusfreepress/2012/03/21/akfinans-bank-discussed-on-ali-safas-north-cyprus-ada-tv/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/03/2012 19:04

http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/03/21/akfinans-bank-discussed-on-ali-safas-north-cyprus-ada-tv/



Sorry folks, hope this works.