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cornishoggy


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28/12/2008 15:55

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I would appreciate any recommendations for economical heating for rental properties, where to get and what to pay?



negativenick


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in a nutshell - there isn't any, it's all expensive !





Nick



ROBnJO


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nick



Stop being so negative!



In any village the bins are overflowing with potential fuel!



Recycle!



Lay a fire with Lemar plastic bags and kibtek bills, top with speeding fines and turtle shells. Add plastic water botles and takeaway cartons.

Sprinkle on Diesel.



Ignite.



Top up with Estate Agents/Developers literature and add any olive logs left over from land clearance. Tightly roll up any GC Newspapers and add.





Enjoy!



negativenick


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i had a mate, called Positive Pete, but even he won't talk to me now....



I'm off to set a plastic bin on fore to keep warm !





Nick



philnles


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28/12/2008 18:31

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try paraffin heaters,got one yesterday,cheap to run and doesn,t make our eyes sting like with the bottled gas heaters and chucks out a good bit of heat.



Nunu1


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I know of people living in TRNC that said Ceramic electric heaters are the best, efficient and economical to run..............sorry dont know anymore than that..................



I will be researching all the best options including Solar and renewables when I move over there!



nunu1



Becks


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negativedick spoils every threed why dont the mid ban him . He spouts rubbish and only wants to rubbish evry thread



negativenick


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no i don't !!



There isn't a cheap method of heating here !!



Unless you know better ?





Nick



Windycorner


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29/12/2008 08:34

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Can you tell us where you bought the paraffin heater please, and the paraffin whlst you are at it? Thanks



deecyprus4


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Save the negativenick 1... ~



Turbo


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Another good one is the oil filled radiators, the secret being, do not keep turning it on and off, just set it at medium til it warms up and then leave it on low, one in each room that you use should be ok.

Nothing is cheap.

Dont forget an electric blanket, worth its weight in gold for when yo get into bed, also flannel sheets.



come_on_aylin


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Turbo



Hate to disagree with you but we did what you suggest when we first moved into our house, kept an oil filled radiator on the lowest setting for weeks. Thought it would be reasonable but our first electricity bill was horrendous, more than double our neighbours. When we stopped using the radiator the bill was much reduced.



jock1



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It all depends on the size of room/ rooms. We have a gas bottle fire and have found it to be ok, the only down side is sometimes you dont get a full bottle.

remember ventilation is important!!!!

However there is no cheap heating, the logs are also good.



philnles


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Cheap heating

We got our paraffin heater(model tonysun r95 bs) from Atlex on the main road towards the Ledra palace crossing on the right hand side of the road. We paid 100 lira and it uses .24-.28 ltrs an hour,used it for the first time last night and it was very good.



augusta



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philnles

thanks for the info about the paraffin heater....how much does paraffin cost per liter? Does the heater need to be connected to a chimney?

thanks



Ossie


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Philanles-24-25ltrs an hour ,what, in excessive of 10, sounds a lot of dosh for a hours heat! Hows about putting on a few more clothes and sitting round a candle,lot cheaper!



Ossie


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Philnles just noticed the points before the litres used. So its 0.24 to 0.28 litres per hour. Thats a lot better. Forget the candle.



jessy


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Try asking the people you rent off if you can put a wood burning stove in. Then fix if taking out. Just depends how long you rent for and is it worth it.



TRNCVaughan


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Despite the cost of electricity in TRNC a/c heat pumps are the most cost effective way of heating a property. They have the added bonus of cooling in the summer. You can control the amount of electricty used by installing a coin operated meter to supply the units.



gibson335


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msg19



I find this statement very difficult to believe. 3 tons of wood for log burner costs me 450ytl and lasts all winter. One months use of aircon in August increases Electric Bill by about 300ytl ( and only used at night mainly in one bedroom). I leave you to work out the most cost effective over say a 4 month winter period. A TC friend of mine uses a/c to heat whole house and say's his bills average in excess of 1000ytl per month during winter. He is now putting in a log burner!!!!



TRNCVaughan


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We have a wood burning stove in our lounge which heats that area. It does nothing to heat the bedrooms, which have a/c. The calorific value of logs is quite low and of course the cost/quality of logs is a variable.

In winter we pay more for our electricity bill but my feeling is this is due in some large part to the use of the immersion water heater for 1.5-2 hours per day.

It is a fact that heat pumps have a co-efficient of performance of anything up to 4:1 as they absorb heat from the outside air which is heated, free of charge, by the sun. This means that for every 1 kW of electricity consumed, 4kW of heat is generated. All other systems, gas/oil fired boilers, electric convector/radiator heaters, portable gas/paraffin heaters and wood burning stoves have a CoP of 1:1 at best.



Turbo


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come_on_aylin:



I didnt say it was going to be cheap, just imagine how much more it would have been if you kept turning it on and off.



I don't think there is a cheap way of keeping the place warm, the fact that all buildings are all mostly solid concrete, you have to warm the concrete up first.



Electric blanket, stay in bed most of the time.



kibsolar


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sorry late reply

i live in cyprus since years.....

1. an electric blanket is a must. good clothing as well. 100% lambswool.

2. avoid any electric heating as electric convector/radiator heaters, ceramic or infrared heaters. dont believe any advertisements as " economic to run"", "easy to install", "soft heat", "radiant heat" "total comfort" and all that s...

3. the CoP of most aircondis in cyprus is lower than 4:1 and therefor also expensive.

4. the CoP is not the only thing which is important. imortant is how much i pay for one kW/h heating.

5. the calorific value of logs is NOT quite low, it is nearly as high as petrol. the secrect is that the logs should not be wet and the wood burner good. if this is achieved, you will enjoi the work chopping wood....

6. at least a wood burner burns wood, a renewable energy source.



pilgrim



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Cuddles or bed socks is cheapest.



TRNCVaughan


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Hi kibsolar,



Your point 3 - As long as a device has a CoP of more than 1:1 it must, by definition, be more "efficient" than all other methods of heating such as gas, oil, wood, coal and other forms of electric heating. Heat pumps absorb energy from the outside air which is heated by the sun, free of charge, giving the a CoP of more than 1:1.

Your point 4 - Electricity is expensive which is why it is important to make sure that your a/c is inverter driven and not undersized. Inverter a/c units can use as little as 1/6th of the power of non-inverter units.

Your point 5 - Logs can have a low calorific value if they are not of a suitable type of wood or they are "green" i.e. not seasoned. They certainly have a lower calorific value than most if not all other forms of "solid" fuel.



TRNCVaughan


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BTW Kibsolar,



Have a look at the following table and you will see that wood has nowhere near as much calorific value as gasoline.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/fuels-higher-calorific-values-d_169.html



kibsolar


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my dear Vaughan,

you are right, but these values are not everything.

inverter driven a/c just have a better "all over CoP" than a non inverter driven a/c.

they save, "all over", approx 40-50% of the electricity.

you "forgot" to mention that for 1 kw/h electricity you have to use 2,8 kW/h heating power at teknicik power station.

so, you have not a CoP of 1:4, you have a ratio of 2,8:4 equals "all over net CoP" of 1,42,at its best, free from the sun.

cheap airconditioners/heatpumps have a "all over net CoP" smaller than 1 !!!

what an environmental mess !!



wood is produced from the sun.

a CoP of 1 sometimes is not bad, especially if there is NO oil or gas burned with a lot of Co2 emissions.



so, if you can get 3 tons of wood for 450 TL (msg 20), 1 kilo costs 0,15 TL and this kilo of wood has 4-4,4 kw/h of heating energy, if 100% burned,. even if not, it will cost you less then any other heating source.

plus, you have a nice source of infrared radiation which means that i



Hippo


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23/01/2009 20:56

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burn the furniture



kibsolar


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23/01/2009 21:05

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cont



feel much cosier then heating up "air only"



you have a wood burning stove yourself !



PS: first choice is Solar energy, fe a good water heater.



AlsancakJack



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The other thing to bear in mind is that most villas are open plan so whatever heating you decide to use you will end up trying to heat up the whole villa. We have had installed heavy curtains that we can draw to partition any part of the villa for example the living room can be partitioned and a gas fire on one bar is more than adequate for heat and when we retire to the kitchen/dining room for meals then again it can be partitioned and one bar on the gas fire is more than adequate.

For our bedroom a decent quilt and an electric blanket work wonders. The aircon is there only for emergencies.

AJ



spudlov


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Hi guys,



Can anyone give me any info regarding the installation of solar water heating? Costs,longevity, efficiency, especially in the winter months. Are they worth considering or would it take years to get your installation costs back in electricity savings?



Cheers,



Martin



Magbs


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Kibsolar,



Your comments on environmental impact of wood burning are wrong. It might be economically beneficial but environmentally wood, not gas or even oil has highest CO2 emission rate per KWh.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/co2-emission-fuels-d_1085.html

And the issue is not only the greenhouse gases emitted but also NOx, carbon CO, organic gases, and particulate matter. You can keep pollutants from entering your room air...so the leave through your chimney. If you use electricity the chimney is far far away (provided you don't live near the power station



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