Advise on Border Crossing at Pyla

sarahlou


Joined: 10/04/2007
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
24/06/2009 21:53

Hi there,



I am looking to spend a day south but the Car Hire Company will not allow border crossing as i expected.



Has anyone used Car Hire at the border or, could anyone suggest a way of getting to the Waterpark in AyiaNapa for the day as we are keen to travel and just want to know the best way of doing it.



Either Car Hire from the Border or Taxi from the Border

kofaliking


Joined: 20/06/2009
Posts: 126

Message Posted:
24/06/2009 22:43

Take a look at this thread http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/17635.asp its got alot of responses about companies which allow you to travel over the boarder, and what you have to do, etc, etc.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/06/2009 23:17

WHAT "boArder".... ? ..!!



If you do use a company from the "south" - DO NOT call it a border - unless you want to walk or receive a lecture... "the only borders in Cyprus are the MED" ....



you have been "warned" ... ;)

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 09:16

For the umpteenth time it`s not Pyla it`s BEYERMUDU!



Again for the umpteenth time if you have to get past CT immigration and SBA lackeys doing the job for the ROC then you have crossed into another territory.



In other words you have crossed a border.

come_on_aylin


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 09:21

There was a travel agent in Karaoglanoglu that was organising trips to the waterpark on Saturdays last Summer, don't know if they are still doing it. Have a feeling that it was Wonderland Travel, the number listed for the in the buzz book is 0392 822 3822. Hope that helps.

kofaliking


Joined: 20/06/2009
Posts: 126

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 10:58

You all new what she meant, no need to knit pick!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 11:06

Pyla BEYERMUDU border crossing point



Stop being so chuffin pedantic and answer the question for fcuks sake.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 11:48

Nige;



I can`t answer the fcukin` question because I use my own motor.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 11:56

indeed so do I newscoop why do some have to be so pedantic sarahlou asked a valid and reasonable quwstion ony to get trampled on by the usual suspect. that really does get on my tit ends.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 11:58

Dear Newscoop



re msg 4



You can continue to kid yourself.. Does the UK, EU, UN call it a "border"... NO... I rest my case..



re msg 7



Nige, it is not being pedantic to remind someone visiting Ayia Napa NOT to refer to the UN designated crossing points as a "border"..



It is DEEPLY offensive to the vast majority of Cypriots





It is plain common sense..

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 12:05

Spot on Nige (message 7)

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 12:15

Border;



Border;



Line that indicates a boundary.



Or how about this?



Dividing line between POLITICAL and geographic areas.



So the green line is what exactly?



Funnyily enough I don`t know any Turkish Cypriots who are offended by the concept of having a border separating them from their brethren in the south. Quite the opposite in fact!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 12:25

It is DEEPLY offensive to the vast majority of Cypriots



So is raping t/c women murdering their husbands massacring whole villages and wanting to ethically cleanse the island of Turkish Cypriots but you choose to ignore this and how it soped once the BORDER was introduced.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 12:37

Dear Newscoop



re msg 11



>>Spot on Nige (message 7)<<



Do read Nige's msg - again .. it wasn't just addressed to me ..





As you really know.. the "green line " is a cease fire line - not an internationally recognised "border"... Don't tell it to me - write to your MP/ MEP, the EU/ UN/ ....



As you also really know.. the dividing "line" is surreal and when there is a settlement the line will ultimately be a bit like crossing from Northern Ireland to Eire - I hope we both live to see that.. ;)



>>Funnyily enough I don`t know any Turkish Cypriots who are offended by the concept of having a border separating them from their brethren in the south. Quite the opposite in fact!<<



I could introduce you to a few - one of them took TR to court at the ECHR and in April 2003 he won the right for TCs ( and GCs ) to move freely around the whole of the island....

julie.andrews


Joined: 09/07/2008
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 13:04

Good morning Mr mmmmmm,

You did I believe go to the trouble of posting the definition of a border a short while ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border

One might note that included in this are references to:



Borders define geographic boundaries of political entities or legal jurisdictions, such as governments, states or subnational administrative divisions. They may foster the setting up of buffer zones. Some borders are fully or partially controlled, and may be crossed legally only at designated border checkpoints.



Now my dear, within the outer boundaries of Cyprus, there does exist a small piece of the United Kingdom I believe, which most certainly fulfills the definition of "political entities" and "subnational administrative divisions"



So in conclusion, it is possible to travel from the area controlled by the Turkish Cypriot administration, to the so called *rump* as you so eloquently like to call it, by passing though a 'border'.



Onwards and upwards my dear,



Mrs

kofaliking


Joined: 20/06/2009
Posts: 126

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 13:11

So then, it IS boarder, nonetheless, so everyone should stop knitpicking and just answer the question.

If i new id answer, but i dont. Its a shame i dont know because i would have answered the question rather than trying to correct a genuine mistake - we all make them?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 18:46

Dear "Julie.Andrews"



re 15



As I'm sure you are aware, both you ( or I) could edit that link on Wiki to make it read how we like.. Wiki isn't "gospel".... Oh Dear, did you think it was ?! :-o



Now what IS Gospel - the highest mortal body on Earth - degre that "TRNC" is *legally invalid* - only Turkey - it's "sponsor" "recognise" it...



So - no Country - no international boundary - no border... simples ..( sucks teeth a la Alexandr Meerkat)



Yor stick to Wiki ... I'll stick to the UN Sec Council Resolutions and I'll be among the first to congratulate my TC friends when they gain REAL autonomy.. as part of a new Cyprus - federated into autonomous regions.



Dear Kofaliking



I know the answer.. many kids at Eton are BoArders .. which mistake are you referring to ;) ?

kofaliking


Joined: 20/06/2009
Posts: 126

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 18:54

Do you need a passport to cross? Yes - I call that a boarder. So do alot of others!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 19:01

Re msg 18





>>Do you need a passport to cross<<



ER, NO .. I don't need a passport to cross the Green Line - RoC id accepted - NEXT ....

kofaliking


Joined: 20/06/2009
Posts: 126

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 19:06

You need ID to cross - and those without RoC ID? They will need other proof of identity, including a passport.

So its a boarder. A boarder seperates different areas from one another - therefore is it not a boarder...

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 19:09

mmmmmm

can Turkish citizens cross into the south from the north ?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 19:10

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1/ a "boArder" is someone who sleeps in accommodation - away from their nrmal home



2/ I need ID * driving license with photo / national ID card ) to enter many places of work, to board an internal flight or to cross from Scotland to N.Ireland .. NEXT...

kofaliking


Joined: 20/06/2009
Posts: 126

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 19:14

I believe mmmmmm just likes to create arguments, yes i put "boarder" instead of "border" but you new what i meant didnt you? This is the problem with alot of people on this forum, knitpicking at little mistakes, that only make the people in the conversation more agitated.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 19:32

re msg 21





>>an Turkish citizens cross into the south from the north ?<<



Turks are Visa nationals in the EU - they require either a Residency permit in a third party EU state or a RoC visa to enter Cyprus - via a recognised port of entry



So - as the Green line is NOT a recognised port of entry ...



NO... most Turks can't cross from "north to South" ... - just like my Wife ( Russian national - awaiting UK residency card)

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 19:37

Dear Kofaliking



re msg 23

don't worry - I spelt decree DEGRE -upthread ... all the best folk mispell



YES there is an element of my liking to debate.. I don't deny it.. it is most "fun" when someone REALLY knows what they are talking about ....



Perhaps your agitation is mainly because you know that this is an argument that you ( nor I) can "win"... There are some that would even go as far as to try to silence a dissenting opinion... can you imagine that ?!

lovinit


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 745

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 19:41

this is really boring boring boring aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

kofaliking


Joined: 20/06/2009
Posts: 126

Message Posted:
25/06/2009 19:42

Ive made my mind up without the help of your ever lasting negative and sarcastic posts, i rest on the knowledge i believe it is a border, even if the UK, UN and EU dont!

Im sure alot of people will agree that we are not always politically correct in our statements, but most people know what we mean.

But when it comes to smart arse sarcastic idiots like yourself, who think they know better than anyone else, i say stuff them. Thats why i stopped the 'debate' with you and decided to reveal your ignorance to the rest of the forum.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
26/06/2009 13:32

Re msg 27



Dear Kofaling



just "found" this ..



I was wondering WHEN and HOW you are going to reveal my "ignorance" ;) Can I have a seat in the front row, please ?

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 19:10

mmmm go and get your visas sorted out



you have roasted this chestnut so many times its boring

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 12:11

Dear Nige re msg 13



>>So is raping t/c women murdering their husbands massacring whole villages and wanting to ethically cleanse the island of Turkish Cypriots but you choose to ignore this and how it soped once the BORDER was introduced.<<



As ever, you quote for one perspective only.. You forget that the vast majority f killing and raping occurred n md July - thru' August 1974..



Ah yes.. Nige's soln... silence the dissenter's form his minority viewpoint and then come on here and criticise moderators ..



When you have dealt with your issue of "double stds".... feel free to revert - aren't you "lucky" you can ;)



Cyprusairsoft re msg 144



Thanks for your "advise".. I will continue to post relevant responses with factual content !

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 12:41

Hi mmmmmmmmm,



What is the "crossing" from RoC or indeed TRNC to an SBA called? Is this not a border?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 13:16

Re msg 30

Before DC picks me up - thx for your *advice* ;)



re msg 31 "TRNC"



This is not the first time you've asked me this question in the six years we have corresponded..



The answer is the same... I can't believe you need to ask, AGAIN



It is still the UN designated Cease -fire line or "Green-line" .. it is NOT an officially recognised international frontier.



For those who might say this makes me a GC sympathiser.. I refer you to the UN, EU, UK, IRL, ECHR policy on Cyprus...



It is a crossing point between an area of sovereign territory of the RoC and a part under effective control control of Turkey. It is NOT a border... in the eyes of everyone, save for TR.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 15:19

mmmmmmmmmm,



Please read my post 31 again.

I refer not to the "crossing" between RoC and TRNC, but the crossing between RoC (Sovereign State) and the SBA (Sovereign Base Area). These lines were drawn long before the green line as the dividing line between RoC and a UK base.

Is this not the equivalent of a border between Cyprus and the UK? If so, then there are borders in RoC.

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 16:23

Saralou.



Bet you wished you had never asked the question.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 22:24

If it is not a border MMMMMMMMM then why was I asked for my passport and I had to fill in a small registration card.The same happened in reverse,TRNC to ROC and I was questioned about Ciggies and alcohol etc.by the ROC people.IF it is not a border surely I could take in whatever I liked without penalty,but a border would restrict me to "duty free" allowance...

sarahlou


Joined: 10/04/2007
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 23:03

Wow !



Didn't think that such a simple question and request for farily basic information / guidance would provoke such a riot.



Just chill out, how can a spelling mistake be so offensive.



Thanks to those that answered my original question............... relax and enjoy the sunshine to everyone else.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 11:25

Re msg 33 "TRNC" Vaughan



I apologise for not understanding your question.



As part of the deal for formation of the RoC, The SBAs came into being - there are special rules regarding the SBAs and they implement implement common policy on the cease fire line / boundary of the SBA



Yes, I agree(!) that one could term the boundary of the SBA with official RoC territory as a border. I am careful to point out that a GC will tell you "the only borders in CY are the Med" ;)



re msg 35 Coachie



>>..If it is not a border MMMMMMMMM then why was I asked for my passport...<<



Because the EU accession Green Line Regulations point out that the "green line" is the first place that EU immigration / Customs control can take place - as the Recognised govt cannot exercise effective control of all the island...



As you know the EU does not recognise "TRNC" as a state.. ERGO - no state no international frontier...

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 12:29

Hi mmmmmmmmm,



Thanks for your clarification.



It's not a matter of COULD term the boundry between SBA and RoC as a border, it IS!



So we CAN say that there ARE borders in Cyprus, whether anyone likes it or not.



Semantics rule, OK!