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bazzy p


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09/06/2008 20:43

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has any of the board members had any problems with their pools e.g. leaks.We seem to have a substantial leak the builder does not want to know, we are going to have tests done by an independent company to locate the problem can anyone offer advice does the builder have a duty to remedy this problem e. g. a guarantee all advice would be gratefully accepted.



brian24001


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09/06/2008 21:28

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just sent you email



ive@karsiyaka



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09/06/2008 22:13

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Hi Bazzy,



I to have had problems with my pool leaking but lucky enough I held a retention until all snagging works were complete and I had the pool filled prior to handing over the last payment hopefully all will be OK now. I think it is quiet a common problem pools leaking but what the developers like to do is sign you up for them to carry out pool maintenance and if the pool is leaking they just top it up at your expense but if you do not use your developer to maintain your pool it will invalidate your guarantee for your pump etc you will have to way up which option you fill happier with Regards IVE.



ive@karsiyaka



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09/06/2008 22:19

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SORRY FEEL HAPPIER WITH



TRNCVaughan


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10/06/2008 08:46

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The largets part of our business is pool repairs.

We know why pools here leak and we know how to repair them.

If we can be of assistance please contact us for a free, no obligation quote.



Vaughan

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Pools



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10/06/2008 10:06

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We repair pools using the liner system.

No more leaks at all with 10 years guarantee.



Please visit our site:

http://www.desjoyaux.com

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Office: 0392.8213108

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deecyprus4


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03/08/2008 12:26

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Here's some advice based on my own amateur experience of a problem pool.



How to work out how many tons of water your pool contains



1 cubic or square meter of water weighs 1 metric ton, i.e the water in a space measuring 1m x 1m x 1m = 1 ton



To work out the number of tons in your pool multiply the lenght x breadth x average depth

So, if you pool is an 8x4 and has an average depth of 1.5m, the calculation is

8 x 4 = 32 x 1.5 = 48 tons



If you pool is 10 x 5 and an average of 2m deep

10 x 5 = 50 x 2 = 100 tons



Bear these calculations in mind when considering the amount of chemicals etc. required.





Massive sudden water leak in an overflow pool?

This is most likely due to the non-return valve being stuck open - usually due to small stones, twig, leaves etc. jamming the valve that maintains the level in your pool when the pump is off.

The water level in your pool will equalise with the level in your balance tank - if you have an overflow in your balance tank below the level of the pool, the water will flow from the pool to your balance tank and then out of the overflow.

Ask your pool man to clean the valve. Consider a 2nd valve to reduce the likelihood of large water loss in this way.



Normal Water Use

In the heat of the summer, normal water loss seems to be about 3-4 tons a week for a 8x4 pool, 4-5 in a 10x5

I have heard that everytime someone gets out of the pool, you loose 1-2 litres of water through drips/drying/evaporation, so allow for this if you have kids staying!



Is it a Leak or Evaporation?

The "Bucket Test" is a way of finding out if your water loss is through evaporation or a leak.

Fill a bucket with water and leave on a pool step, the bucket doesn't leak, so if the bucket loses 1cm of water, your pool has evaporated about 1cm too.



Remember, you may have 2 or more leaks, and that a tiny hole under pressure will lose a huge amount of water over 24 hours.



Remember, the tiles and tile grout is only decorative, it's the concrete liner that is the waterproof barrier.



If it's not evaporation or a stuck valve, try these steps.



1. Take the pool off overflow and switch off the pump. Note the hight of water in the pool and balance tank



2. Next morning measure height of water in balance tank & pool



3. 1cm drop in your pool = 1/2 ton of lost water for a 10x 5 pool, or about 1/3 ton in a 8x4 (10m x 5m water = 50 cubic meters = 50 tons of water , divide by 100cm = 500 lites per cm), you can do the same calculation for your balance tank, but you will soon see if it is losing the amount of water you are experiencing.



4. Measure every 12 hours and note it down.



5. Continue for a few days - you may find once the level drops a few cm below the overflow level, the loss will decrease - this could be due to less evaporation, if you have porous ridge tiles, these will soak a lot of water in that will evaporate off in the heat of the day



6. Check the grouting around the ridge tiles, and especially where these join the pool tiles. Fill in any tiny gaps - I used something called Pratleys Putty (sometimes available on e-bay, about 6 inc p&p) that you mix together, and then squash in the holes - works underwater too, and sets very hard - a fantastic product for pools.



7. If you have a diving mask, get in the pool, pull out the pool lights and check again for imperfections and holes in the concrete etc. around the light holes - also around the bottom drain if you can - again, use Pratleys Putty.



8. If it stops at a certain level, with no obvious cause (e.g, not just under the pool lights), it could be a dry joint, i.e the pool concrete was poured in 2 stages, and the second pouring hasn't sealed against the 1st - this is a serious problem that could mean demolition or serious work on the pool



9. If the water keeps dropping all the way down (like ours did), it could be due to sub-sta



simbas



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03/08/2008 12:32

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we have a cover for our pool drilled holes around it and solid iron rods thread through the liner to secure in the holes we have had it for 4 yrs now no probs



lobylud


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03/08/2008 23:00

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My post is not to give any advice on leaky pools.



I just want to say it's fantastic for deecyprus4 to go to all that time and trouble to write such a detailed account and give their personal advice to try and help someone with a problem.



That's what the forum should be all about.



Loby.



bradus


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03/08/2008 23:14

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Deecyprus,



Fantastic post. I'm sure that it will be useful info for many on the forum.



jock1



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03/08/2008 23:32

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Good bit of knowlege gathered for myself and the forum.



regards jock



Ossie


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04/08/2008 14:20

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Deecyprus.



Excellent post,hows about going professional?



deecyprus4


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10/08/2008 11:40

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will be their full time in oct



mitsi


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14/08/2008 09:55

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our friends in Karsiyaka had massive leak in their brand new pool. Turned out there was a hole in base filled with newspaper and tiled over||| Good here eh? luckily they were still under guarantee but work took 3 weeks to correct.



MarkVpiazza


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14/08/2008 11:46

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DeeCyprus, or should I call your Plagiarist,



I think you forgot to put in your post who the author of your post was



Here is the original that I posted last September

http://trncvillaowners.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5



It's a shame you didn't have to manners to give credit to the person who took so much time to compile it.



Mark Piazza



cyprusishome


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14/08/2008 16:43

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Mark,



If you are the original author of this piece then I have to agree with you.



Taking work that is in the public domain is seen by many as fair game but when a piece as large as this is taken the norm in my experience is at least to state the BB or whatever if not the author.



I will give the benefit that the poster is new to this and maybe other BB's but hopefully they will gain from this experience.



David



MarkVpiazza


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14/08/2008 16:53

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David



I had a look at Kevin & Dee's other recent posts and found this one

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/4481.asp



which again is copied word for word from my post here from March

http://trncvillaowners.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2305&hilit=+wikipedia



It's a very clear Kevin & Dee are too lazy to wite their own posts, and without an original thought in their heads.



It's a bit like having a stalker



I wonder if other members of TRNC BBs have had their posts "stolen" by DeeCyprus4?



Mark



deecyprus4


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only trying to help everyone gets there info from somewhere did you get yours from divine intervention mark sado



w26kay



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14/08/2008 22:00

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deecyprus4 has been well and truely caught out cheating and not for the first time!



"only trying to help everyone gets there info from somewhere did you get yours from divine intervention mark sado"



No. He actually wrote this article.

You should apologise to him, not only for "stealing" his hard work, but for your rudeness as quoted above.



markvpiazza


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14/08/2008 22:02

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Kev & Dee



I got my information from my own experience of a leaking pool - every word written is by my own hand.



The sado thing is that you tried to make out that you had written it, and took the praise. When someone in the thread suggested you should fix pools professionally, you said that you would be out in October , implying you would consider working with pools.



Mark



TRNCVaughan


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15/08/2008 10:27

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We all learn things from various sources. We learn from school. We learn from family, neighbours and friends. We learn at work.

We learn from others.

This is nothing to be ashamed of and we should never think we know everything. If a day passes without us learning something, we have wasted it.

Eventually, what we know becomes "our own" knowledge, but true understanding of that knowledge only comes with experience.



I knew nothing about swimming pools when I came to TRNC, and after 5 years I am still learning.



Beware the instant expert.



simbas



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15/08/2008 16:03

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deecyprus44 , i did'nt read the above posts until this minute , while i still think all should share and still see no wrong in it , i must say there really was no need to pass the posting off as your own , you could have said that you found it on another forum ,but you chose not to , what you did was really not nice .

hopefully you are in the minority , simbas



TUNALI I CON


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Message Posted:
01/10/2008 15:45

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Just cll tunalı construction they will solve your problem.



keeft


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07/10/2008 20:54

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As a new boy hoping to purchase a villa with a pool, reading of peoples water by the ton disappearing (down the drain) can anyone tell me what the cost of water is likely to be for ones pool, and domestic use.

Thanks in advance.

p.s. damn good forum!!



Groucho



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07/10/2008 22:24

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Currently unless you have your own well... for which a licence is required before construction, then you have to get the water tankered in...



costs range from 7 - 12 YTL per ton..



You are not allowed to fill your pool from the mains and the fines for doing so are large...



There are ways to reduce water usage..



Pool cover - stops evaporation

Re-cycling backwash water

Not backwashing too often



jay76


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10/12/2008 12:27

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Does anybody have a rough idea what the costs are for the following repairs for a 5x10 overflow pool.



Firstly the stone tiles around edge need removing.



Then the first two row's of tiles to be removed.



Then insulate/water proof the exposed area's including overflow gullies and new stone tiles.



Lastly replacing the stone tiles also top two row's of tile.



Hope all make sense and many thanks for all help an advanced.



pools



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11/12/2008 14:34

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hi, you can call Erkan for quotation. He is a pool specialist.The mobile number is: 0533-8760066



gates


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11/12/2008 16:49

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if you have no retentoin money held from the builder dont expect any help from him go to octopus pools they will do any remeamdial work give you a leak proof 5 year gaurantee this is the best ppol company i have found and i have used a few being a builder my self but dont get involved with pools in house you can contact them for a free quote and survey on 03928160687 if you need help with any elect /plumbing /guttering /carpentry / ect ect call me on 05338433001



negativenick


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11/12/2008 17:01

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Re mess 15 -



The info was very helpful...











Post moderated for rudeness to another member





Nick



donegalfmb


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12/12/2008 15:23

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Re: Msg 26,I am a builder and developer,I dont build my own pools because this is such a specialised area.I prefer to rely on experts who can give me a garantee that I can rely on!



The work you describe in msg 26,i would expect to pay somewhere in the region of 4,500 Stg.



I would also agree with msg 28 that octopus pools are one of the best in the industry. "Hope this helps".



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