Pet euthanasia in North Cyprus

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 09:28

Will a vet perform euthanasia on a pet here?



The reason I am asking is that I appear to have been adopted by a lovely Cyprus Terrier type dog which was on my stoep last Sunday morning. I will be returning to the UK in about 5 or 6 weeks and I will look after him until I go.



I really do not want to leave him at the tender mercies of KAR as I do not agree with their outlook of dumping them back on the street if not taken. So unless I can find a good home for him (he is about 6-8 months old) I will have him put down humanely.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 10:02

You will have a hard time getting a Vet to put down a perfectly healthy animal, unless of course you have it tested for Leishmania first (sorry have forgotten how to spell the full correct name of the disease). If it has Leish then Pet Cross will assist as they are desperate to stamp the disease out, but an animal needs to be tested first. I think it's about 60tl and should take no more than a few hours to determine.



I'm sorry that yet again someone see fit to criticise KAR for doing their best and obeying the laws and constraints put upon them.



T1

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 10:05

Oh this is a very tricky one. I hope you find a home for him before you go.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 10:08

Could you explain what Laws and Constraints K.A.R. has had put upon them,it might answer some commonly asked questions, Thank you..

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 10:12

martinD41 msg 4 , put upon who ? KAR does not put any laws and constraints on anyone other than their own organisation, nor do they have an ability or mandate to do so. I do not understand your question ?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 10:20

Their biggest constraints must be funding and a never ending supply of animals needing attention. Do the maths and see how you would make things better.... or don't, just carry on sniping. :(

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 10:33

Well Gavin.an obvious solution springs to mind ,but it falls foul of the LAWS and Constraints which KAR have had put upon them..ref msg 2....



And I'm not sniping,KAR do a great job in the face of overwhelming odds,but perhaps the time has come for a policy re-think....

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 10:46

ohhh were to start



lets try lack of funds

lack of volunteers

Registered charity that has to pay KDV

Lack of the correct drugs for humain euthanasia

Vets will not kill a healthy dog

No government support

No government policy on humain culling

Continual sniping on message boards which weakens support

You know myself and a colleague spent 4 hours on the KAR stand yesterday in the Town centre to collect 75tl (many thanks to those that took the time to show an interest and care)



and yet we continually have defend KAR against gossip, rumour and uninformed comment.



If you want to help ring the office

If you have a good workable idea ring the office

If you would like to walk/bath/or just learn go to the centre,there are real people up there you know.

If you would like donate do not ignore the many collection boxes.

mikea11


Joined: 15/06/2008
Posts: 254

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 10:47

How can you even think about putting the poor thing down. How would you like to be treated like that. You should of not got involved. D'ont tell me you had no option. We bought both our dogs back with us. Yes it doe's take effort, it ain't cheap, but god is it worth it. They think the woods at walkies time is Disney land.

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 11:07

mikea11---It is not my dog!!!! It turned up on my doorstep on Sunday morning and being of a soft hearted nature I watered and fed it. Now he thinks he owns the place. Been bathed and de-ticked and the poor bugger was crawling with them. And as for being treated like that as you say these last few months for me have been a nightmare at the hands of so called "humans".

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 11:22

If as msg8 suggests,ie there is "No government Support"....."No government policy on Humane Culling" then all of KAR's policies are "Home Grown" ....and given their dire situation, a re-think could only be regarded as a step in the right direction....No one wants to see animals suffer least of all me,but desperate situations call for determined and brave solutions ...........

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 11:26

They have limited housing, the vets won't kill healthy animals (the vets are not fascists) and they have limited financial resources.

What policy re-think do you suggest? The neuter and return?

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 11:29

msg8 I refer you to



"If you have a good workable idea ring the office"



Commenting on here will achieve nothing

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 11:37

msg12..So you regard the vets at the Battersea dogs home as Fascist. (I must remember that)I think KAR should go all out to lobby the Government..(preferably though the media)in order to secure a policy on the Humane Culling of animals which have been in the centre for more than the "allotted" time..N/R causes more problems than it solves....

sadie67


Joined: 10/07/2011
Posts: 21

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 12:03

Hi You can take this dog to the shelter in the industrial estate which is on the road to famagusta, they take in dogs and re home them, the shelter is on the same road as all the customs offices.



Good luck i hope you find a home soon i have been trying to re home two cats but have had no luck so far

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 12:05

Does this shelter have a name/contact number please.

sadie67


Joined: 10/07/2011
Posts: 21

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 12:08

Found this in another post i think its the same place you can give it a try



North Cyprus Society for the protection of Animals. its a society to prevent cruelty and educate.



emergency tel no



90 392 2275161, 0533 869 0355, 0533 851 5232



Our Aims



http://www.kuzeykibrishaykorder.com



NCSPA’s main areas of concentration are as follows:







1. To prevent cruelty and ill treatment of ALL animals in North Cyprus by increasing the public awareness through education and legal changes







2. To provide a temporary shelter and humane treatment for stray dogs within the Animal Shelter







3. To find new homes for the stray dogs in the Shelter after neutering them. To neuter stray /

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 12:19

I concur with everything martinD41 says. How anyone can call an underweight, probably internally from all the rubbish it ingests, as well as emotionally-damaged, feral/abandoned/unwanted dog/cat, that may well have been beaten so is afraid of humans or living in terror per se; healthy - is beyond me. To de-flea and de-tick and neuter or spay an animal, to then dump (more onomatopoeiac and honest then 'put') it back on the streets to either die a horrid death from poison, or car or other accident - if not cause a car accident or bite or attack a child - is incomprehensible. I would never give to KAR as I find the above policy indefensible. I think KAR supporters and KAR itself, should petition continually, the TRNC Government to condone a regular cull of clearly feral animals, to put them out of a life of misery, and for the safety of others. It seems an oxymoronic mentality to make them feel better - fed, watered, housed, sterilised - to then abandon them again!!!!!

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 12:34

There you go



msg16



http://www.kyreniaanimalrescue.org/index.html

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 12:48

itfc1978...thank you,but this is the one I need............ http://www.kuzeykibrishaykorder.com/

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 12:52

Some stray dogs live miserable lives of pain and suffering and others live perfectly happy and healthy lives, just the same as owned dogs. We currently have a KAR tagged street dog that lives in our area, that has a great life, is fed and shown affection by a number of people living in the area and that is not adding to the problem of strays because it has been neutuered. Not all strays are this lucky, but you can argue they all deserve a chance to be.

N&R schemes , whilst controversial, have been and are used in many many places around the world for many years now and are nothing unique to KAR.

For the record, yet again, I would personally support a proper well thought out program for humanely culling healthy animals for the benefit of scoiety in general run by the government. I will never accept that such a programm is waht is best for any animal culled. Nor do I think it is KARs job to do this or lobby for it.

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 13:01

msg 20



That is not KAR



In fact I do not have a clue who these people are.



I have just emailed KAR to see if they are aware of them.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 13:03

msg 21 erolz.... given that you would support a Humane Government backed Culling of strays ,who do you think best to lobby for the said program?..........

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 13:05

I think those who are best to lobby for it are those that feel strongly about it enough to do so. Just moaning and berating KAR for not doing it for them achieves nothing positive imo. I personaly do not feel strongly enough myself about it to take on the work and effort to lobby for it but would support anyone or group that did.

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 13:06

I have just spoken to KAR



They are aware of these people and can advise further if you contact KAR

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 13:23

"These People" don't you mean the animal rescue centre in Nicosia.



http://www.kuzeykibrishaykorder.com/...........I am sure anyone interested can contact then directly.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 13:35

Sorry I messed up the link........ http://www.kuzeykibrishaykorder.com/

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 13:35

msg 26



I thought your message 16 was in response to my message 13,my mistake.

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
22/07/2011 18:16

For all those people who rubbish KAR - try doing something better and see how you get on. KAR's not perfect but they do wonders with the resources. Thank God for them and their tireless volunteeers and workers. This country is not the easiest place to do what they do for animals.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 12:52

The N and R programme is sometimes misundertood. Can I just draw your attention to the fact that neither Cyprus Terriers/Poodles or any other small dog is put back on the streets. they are taken to the Centre for their own protection until someone adopts them and takes them home, or they stay in the Centre. Only larger dogs that are considered fit and helathy after being neutered/spayed are put back on the street. As an earlier messenger said, many dogs are returned to the area they chose to spend their time in before being spayed and then become the local "street" dog. It only take a few people to leave food and water out on the street and the dog will stop attacking bins and then settle down under a specific tree or bush. This happens all the time in Istanbul or the centre of Girne at night, where they are fed by local cafe owners.



T1

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 14:19

It really upsets me to see any living creature suffer, when i visit my place in catalkoy, i used to love to walk up the mountain behind my apartment, but always found it highly distressing in the end so do not venture up there anymore. A couple of farmers of goats, bullocks and chickens, the farms and animals are kept immaculate, then you see the dogs, dogs 2 of then locked in a makeshift kenel 4ft by 4ft living in their own faeces , i used to feed these when i lived there, one was going slowly crazy, i phoned KAR and i know something was done about it as the dogs were released from there hellhole, but then were left to wander wild. Last time i went up there 2 dogs were tethered by rope held down by rocks and rubbish, they had no shelter, no food and no water, one was so then her little ribs were sticking out, i fed and watered them while i was on holiday there, i phoned KAR to report the state of them they said they knew the farmer and he was very cruel to dogs, but unfortunately th

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 14:25

there was nothing they could do, i could contact the belideyse as it was my last day i was unable to do so. when i returned home i emailed KAR and begged them to please go and see the state of these 2 emaciated dogs, but again they said they could not. I am not in no way blaming KAR, but these 2 dogs would have been better off dead rather than a life of solitary confinement with no food, water, shelter and love, i fear now they will be dead, and the farmer will replace them with 2 other unfortunate dogs which will be given the same treatment. I cannot walk that path again as i am afraid at what i may find. Why do animals have to suffer like this??

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 16:22

It must be understood that KAR do not have any legal powers as the RSPCA have in the UK. Things have changed greatly since I first started visiting North Cyprus 17 years ago and this is largely down to Margaret Ray, but unfortunately changes happen very slowly.

The RSPCA has been in existence since 1824, KAR since 1997!

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 16:46

msg30.I agree that it only takes a few people to care and the Tagged dog can at least eat/drink. However "who" among these kind people will regularly apply flea/tick treatments every month without fail,administer worming tablets regularly..and above all, fit the animals with Paraband collars in order to protect the "close proximity" public from diseases such as Lieshmaniasis.......Homeless dogs are much more prone to disease,don't you get it?...

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
23/07/2011 17:08

Bazzagirl I really feel your anguish and it gets to the very soul.



Unfortunately people are cruel to animals because they can be and because they feel in some way superior to them. An animal cannot talk and therefore don't have a voice that is how some people think



Power to your elbow KAR ,and to those of you who complain about them - do something constructive speak to those who have the power and authority to change policy here. Speak to your Cypriot friends and try to make a difference.