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Hamish


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Following the change in the rules/regs for dogs going to UK (Jan 2012) - an overland animal transporter will be arriving in Kyrenia on/about 02/02/12 to take 12 dogs back to UK.

8 of those dogs are KAR street dogs who are going to "forever" homes in UK. They will depart TRNC, for their 6 day journey, to their "forever" homes on/about 04/02/12.

There is space available for dogs/cats to travel UK (depart 24 -26 Jan) to TRNC on the overlander. The overlander (and company) are fully registered in the UK and are DEFRA approved. The vehicle is purpose built with individual units/heating/a.c and the animals have regular meal and comfort breaks. They are not left unattended at all during the trip.

The cost of the trip will be shared amongst all the animals using the service (to/from TRNC). This may work out cheaper than flying them (especially with large/heavy dogs). For more info please contact the KAR office on 0533 8694098.

It is hoped that this will be the first of many such trips.



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What a lovely topic. Well done to everyone at KAR and all of their supporters.



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Brilliant news, is it not possible to give a very rough figure, this may mean someone taking their pet rather than leaving it, im sure it will depend on size of dog , etc , but an approx idea of costs will im sure be appreciated !!,





My god that really is great news



Hamish


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moxie

The best that we can do at the moment is to say that if the "overlander" comes out empty from the UK and travels back with 12 dogs the cost will be between 500 and 600 per animal.

Prices vary according to numbers UK to TRNC and then TRNC to UK and also the number of escorting staff needed (subject to the number of animals travelling). It can accomodate more than 12.

It should be a great help especially with the uncertainty of available flights - which are also subject to last minute changes - and also the cost of flying and/or escorting an animal back to UK.

The more options that are available the better - hopefully it will mean beloved pets can go back and more KAR street dogs will be able to go to new "forever" homes.

It has taken a lot of organising and checking but KAR are so pleased that they have been able to arrange it - if it can become a regular occurrence then it can only be a positive thing and should help lots of owners/dogs/cats and street dogs.



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That is really good news but on the other side of the coin will this company bring out dogs from the UK to TRNC.



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Looks like my question has been answered by msg 4.



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What a great initiative and I hope a lot of the 'escapees' that have dogs/cats and are going back to the UK will make use of this service rather than leave their animals behind.

AJ



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Isn't it wonderful news? Msg.7 I do so hope you're right. When a person takes on a dog, it's for life. Perhaps there will be less of the "must return to the UK for health reasons" on this Forum!!



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What wonderful news x fingers and pas crossed it continues



moxie


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does this new law , mean that there is no qaurentiine , if they have passports and jabs etc?





Thanks for posting that Hamish, and yes Tango and Aj it is fantastic news...hopefully some escapee's may reconsider ???



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Hamish.



Well done and good luck !! lovely post thank you .



BizziLizzi


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Good news. I suspect it will also be less traumatic for the dogs than flying as well!



I hope KAR will make a careful check on the conditions under whichthe dogs are kept.



But PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE can we have a little more compassion for people who adopt strays and then become genuinely and seriously ill themselves. It is still pretty expensive and there is still the delay and problems of getting the rabies injections etc. and seriously sick people may not be able or have the accommodaiton to care for animals in the UK. It is time someone did something for animal carers who need temporary or permanent help because of their own health problems.



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Fantastic news!!



stellasstar1



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Brilliant news, well done KAR.



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msg 10 - Moxie, after the 1st Jan 2012 a dog or cat can enter the Uk from any country as long as it has had a microchip, rabies vaccination and a clear serological blood test result dated no less than 3 months before the date of travel. An EU Pet Passport will not be neccessary it's vet book and locally issued export licence and health certificate will be suffice. A worming tablet treatment will be needed valid after 24 hours and good for up to 5 days.



Msg 12 - BizziLizzi, Kar have already used this service when assisting people taking animals to France, be assured they are totally professional. the testemonials on their web site are full of nothing but praise.



would reccomend that anyone who has a pet here and thinks there might be the slightest chance that they will need to return to Uk starts the proccess now, it shouldn't cost more than 100. (much much less than before with EU PPs.)



BizziLizzi


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Para 1. Thanks for your reassurance.



I hope and pray I never have to return to the UK - but no-one can foretell a sudden illness or accident - perhaps incapacitating. And 300 is a lot of money for someone living on a pension and already scrimping to safe emergency funds for doctors and vets bills!



And how often do the rabies injections last? In fact a long time ago (in differnent circs, not illness) I did think I might have to return to the UK and started preparing (then) two dogs. I have forgotten the details but it was a time consuming process and certainly not one i could have undertaken if I had been ill myself. I seem to remember they had to be renewed every six months. If I had to undertake that extra expense I would never have adopted dogs in the first place - which means five dogs who have had (three still having) happy lives would still be on the streets!



I have been horrified by the attitude of posters here addding to the distress of sick people who contd.



BizziLizzi


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whose distress has been increased by concerns about the future of animals they have adopted out of kindness and it is literally giving me nightmares.



I have volunteered to two organisations to care on a temporary basis for small of people who are temproarily incapacitated but have never been approached. All of which raises serious doubts as the genuiness of those to profess to care.



cleos


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What great news for pets the to be able to go to Uk with their families easier and also the lucky street dogs. I wish all 8 street dogs every happiness in their new lives and hope that we get to hear some of the stories (and see pictures) behind them being chosen to go to new UK families. Thank you KAR and thank you to the caring new owners who have chosen their TRNC dogs - Wishing you and your new pets a very Happy 2012. Its about time we had some nice stories on this bb.

I bet many of us are/were not aware of this - and doubtless other good work - taken on by KAR. They seem to do much more behind the scenes than many of us give them credit for - WELL DONE.



BizziLizzi


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Good news. I suspect it will also be less traumatic for the dogs than flying as well!



I hope KAR will make a careful check on the conditions under whichthe dogs are kept.



But PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE can we have a little more compassion for people who adopt strays and then become genuinely and seriously ill themselves. It is still pretty expensive and there is still the delay and problems of getting the rabies injections etc. and seriously sick people may not be able or have the accommodaiton to care for animals in the UK. It is time someone did something for animal carers who need temporary or permanent help because of their own health problems.



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Aahhh nice posting. Well done for organising it KAR and for helping 8 street dogs to go to a new life in UK. Their new owners must want them very much to pay out to have all the necessary jabs etc done and then to pay for them to go to UK. It shows there are still some very kind people around - after all it would have been much easier/cheaper for them to buy a "bitzer" (bits of this and bits of that breed !!!ha ha) in the UK as opposed to the cost they will incurr helping 1 of TRNC street dogs. Hats off to those new owners and KAR.



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Yes very good new and nice to read,Great work and I so hope it is goes well and continues for many many years to come.





Spider,X



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Fantastic news. Could KAR now take Bob, the puppy shown on here. He needs a home desperately... anyone help?????



moxie


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Bizzilizzi........not wanting to be offensive.............but strange how everyone is now ILL???, Well done Kar , i have always supported them, not always understood their policies, but we cant knock people who really care.......maybe unlike so so called PET OWNERS!!!!.........DID IT , no home to sell... no pension...no income ....my dog was for life..........................end of !!



ps ..i think the conditions of Kars transportation are likely to be less traumatic than being passed from pillar to post by the owners...or dumped on the streets, we are talking animals here?



msge 20...................yes exactly!! wanted very much



Lilli



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bizzi i would like to speak with you I cant see an email address.



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So delighted to hear the good news! Best wishes with the venture!



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re msg 16 - if you were having more than one animal blood tested at the same time the ballpark figure of 100 each would be reduced as 32.50 of it is the charge for sending the blood by DHL to the approved laboratory in th UK.

I talked to 2 lots of people today who will now start getting their dogs done (just in case!)



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Msg.19 - I've got all the sympathy in the world for people who are genuinely sick and are desparate to find home or homes for the animals they have taken on whilst in the TRNC. However, there have obviously been people who have used this reason incorrectly and thus spoiling it for genuine cases.



BizziLizzi


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Moxie



I dislike people who dont take responsibility for their pets as much as anyone else, but there is a nastiness about some of th comments on this Board which really upsets me. Dont judge everyone by a few bad cases.



I have lived hear l5 years, I own my home, I have a pension and as I said earlier |I live simply so as to save hopefully not to be dependant on others when I get old or am ill - and also to be able to afford to look after my dogs and the cost of food and vets fees has risen sharply since I gt them. But no one is indestructable and a serious illness or accident could leave me temporararily or permanently unable to care for them. The oldest is l5 and stiff in the joints. She sleeps a lot - I hope I will have another two or three years enjoying her company and she being contents, but I could not move her. Another is 8 and still young a heart but I dont think he would be happy in another climate or environemnt.



BizziLizzi


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A dea friend had cancer and returned to the UK and was diagnosed as terminal. Her neighbour, a Turkish lady, was feeding my friends cat, but it was living wild. To comfort my friend i promised to find and take on the cat. I have no experience of cats and had two dogs so I asked KAR for the loan of a cat carrier and help in catching it and advise on caring, feeding etc. I made it clear I did not expect them to take the cat - I just needed a little help. They promised to phone the next day, I ws working but stayed at home. No phone call - this went on for two weeks with promises of calls and loss of work - I never did catch the cat and I nearly lost the job. KAR never did get in touch. I am still lbitter, and I could quote other instances of lack of compassion by KAR but it would take too long to quote them all.



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Apart from 2 weeks and one weekend when a Cypriot friend looked after my dogs, I have had no holidays withuot them since I have lived here. I know people who make even greater sacrifices to care for strays. We need a little support occasionally not constant nasty carping if we fall on hard times.



Sorry about the rant but I feel very strongly about this.



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While I am sure that most people that return to England that have animals here, would like to take them, sometimes, it just isn't possible, and making nasty remarks isn't fair. If someone is returning through illness, either themselves or partner and have no home in England, the big problem they come up against is renting somewhere that will take pets. It must be traumatic enough being ill, then having to move countries, then trying to arrange all the documention for your pet(s) ( that's of course if you can afford it), the actual travel for them, and then finding somewhere to live. Most rental places do not take pets, so what is the answer?.If you put a message on here trying to find them a home, you can add rudeness and nasty remarks to add to the persons stress levels.

On the question of why are so many people getting ill, I think that's because a lot of us are getting old. Sad but true.



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Lilli: I think we met once (meeting of "Rescue us Kyrenia") and I would be glad to speak but I have lost your pone no. Sorry but I feel vulnerable and there are too many people who sound nasty here (not just the doggy posts)to post my email or phone on these Boards. Any ideas?



PS I think my latest adoptee may have been a case when I was "conned" by a "sob story". Certainly I was mislead about some things. Nontheless she is a lovely dog, it wasnt her fault and it would have been a crime to have her put down and I am glad to have her even though she cost me a fortunate in chewed sandals. She is very happy and my second dog is glad of a playmate, but they are reminding me I should be feeding them not going on here.........................



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i know what you are saying ...i still dont agree, as i said before i have done it, and ended up in the UK homeless with 2.50 in my pocket, and a seriously ill husband, we obviously have different ideas, lets agree to disagree, and get this thread back on topic ...Great news for animals and owners, lets hope they take them back ? WELL DONE KAR!!





Bizzilizzi , i wish you all the best with your animals , you sound like a very caring person



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Stella - well, said and your last sentence really hits the mark! But should people be deterred from adopting needy strays because they themselves are getting old. Hopefully even if the animals do have to be rehomed, they will have been neutered, vaccinated and house trained and are people friendly. Its the poor animals who have grown up having to fight for their living that are difficult to domesticate and cause problems. When I adopted my first dog I wasnt sure I was going to stay in Cyprus (I changed my mind later!) but I thought that if I changed her from a little scruffy raggamuffin to a well trained healthy dog she would stand a better chance of finding another home. She died after a happy life but I really sad that this will not apparently apply to my present three.



Moxie - I care about animals, particularly dogs, people are the problem! But seriously I try not to add to distress of those who may have serious problems and think a little mutual held would go a long way



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Has the uk not got enough dogs needing homes with out adding the Trnc street dogs ? sounds good that people can take there pets back though.



Lilli



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Hi Bizzi. my email address is guidoandliz@yahoo.co.uk . I can understand your concerns about showing details on here. Im in uk at the moment till end of month x



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Hi Lilli hope you are well, good news indeed for us transient animal lovers....



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fosterscan - no doubt the UK has many many dogs needing homes BUT the support (authority/regulations/help) in the UK for stray dogs and charities/vets caring for them is much much better than here.

The TRNC street dogs are dogs that, for whatever reason, UK visitors have fallen in love with. So much so that they are willing to fund the costs to take those dogs to UK to live with them. Maybe some of the dogs involved are going to homes that already have, or have had, rescue dogs from UK or other places. Surely it is the new owners choice where they get their dogs from !!

Anyone who is an animal lover would just be glad that the dogs have a caring loving home to go to. Whether they are UK dogs/TRNC dogs/Egyptian dogs - a dog in a loving home with loving owners is what they all deserve. I for one am so pleased that these 8 KAR dogs will have the chance to live in such homes - a chance they may not have had if the regulations had not changed and KAR had not organised this trip.



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The UK charities are also under a lot of pressure because more animals are being abandoned because of th financial crisis and more pets being abandoned by people can no longer afford to keep them - a crisis which is also affecting SOME of us here .



The big difference is that the major UK animal charities check the suitablility of animals to carers, follow up adoptions and support and advise people who adopt their dogs (I know because a friend of mine adopted and they gave advice and support when the animal proved to have behavioural problems and eventually took the dog back and found another one which was more suitable for him) and of course that costs money but it is far better in the long run Here you are left to cope alon



I am not knocking the new KAR initiative and I am pleased for those who have the money and resources to take their dogs back with them . But it is only a solution to a very small part of the problem



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The other difference is that UK Charities take action when an animal is treated cruelly, including gross negligence. OK so KAR dont have the powers that the RSPCA has - but excercising those powers costs a great deal of money which, just like KAR , basically comes from donations.



So KAR may have a much smaller income that, say the RSPCA, but it also has correspondingly fewer outoings.



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Lillie Message 36 - thanks. emailing you.



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the2ofus

Battersea dogs home take in 8000 dogs a year

36% get put to sleep.

lets hope the 8 dogs dont end up there.



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I imagine the 8 dog are lucky - if people care enough and are rich enough to take all that trouble and pay all that money, they must care for the dogs.



But how many adoptable (ie not too sick, old, or traumatised) dogs does that leave in KAR kennels ?



How many still straying?



How many people struggling to cope when too old or ill to care for their animals.? How many animals kept in unsuitable conditions because someone took them on in a moment of sentiment and didnt realise what it entailed or just havent been taught how to care for animals? And how many being bred or imported to add to the stray population?



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fosterscan - Do you know anything about the 8 KAR dogs or their new owners ? I doubt it - so why would you even think that any of the 8 KAR could end up at Battersea ??

BizziLizzi - i appreciate (and maybe sympathise) with some of your comments but as you say this trip is only a "solution to a small part of the problem" - surely even small solutions are better than none. If these 8 dogs were not going to the UK they would be 8 more (adoptable) dogs at the Centre or roaming the street here.

Re - msg 43 -Do you not know that KAR do run an active education programme in local schools/colleges.

fosterscan & BizziLizzi - did either of you attend the Open Forum held by KAR earlier this year -open for anyone to discuss/reccommend idea/raise concerns about the work of KAR - i doubt it.

Did either of you attend the recent AGM - i doubt it.

Why do you now have to make an effort to turn a positive thread for animals and owners alike into a negative one with your pessimistic remarks ?



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I think this is a wonderful initiative on the back of relaxed UK legislation and can't understand why anyone would see anything negative in it. Yes there are many unwanted dogs in the UK, but there fate at worst is humane euthanasia. Not nice I know, but better than being condemned to a life in the streets starving, being abused and becoming ill. Not to mention the lack of emotional nurturing. Well done and this makes it so much easier for those who do fall in love with an animal in Cyprus to bring it back to the UK with them should that be their choice.



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Message 44. No I didnt. Although I am retired I am not a "lady of leisure" and the time was not possible.



I have in the past emailed , written and spoken to KAR about various issues and problems (I reported one regarding adoption of a cat on another thread). Sometimes I have even got a response! but it has been inflexible. Which is why I started posting here, not my favoured way but if all else fails.............. I am not knocking this initiative - I think it is very good - but just concerned people seem tothink it is the solution for everybody to repatriation.



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