UK to recognise North Cyprus

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 20:20

Hi all

Haven't been on the forum for a while but have noticed that there is a new e-petition for the UK to recognise TRNC, there is also an e-petition asking for direct flights from the UK to Ercan.

I know that most of us want both of these proposals but we must vote to make this happen, there have only been just over 200 votes so far so please register yours at http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14563



Dave

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 20:29

Good on ya loobie,signed,



Grey.

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 20:41

allmy household has signed



hope it helps

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 20:49

Is this a new form of government: Government by e-petitions

ismet

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 20:55

Msg4, a government pledge

was made to debate any petition over 100,000 ( I think)

but when the smokers did it

it did not happen

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 21:01

Ismet Bey



It is a pathetic attempt to connect Lawmakers with the people! If an e petition garners more than 100000 signatures then by law time has to be made in the lower house of the parliament to debate it. It does not of course mean that it has to be followed!





Harold



PS I have signed nevertheless

Calvinhobbes


Joined: 25/04/2010
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 21:56

One more signature...every little counts...

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 22:46

and another....this should be a sticky

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 22:50

How long has it been running ?

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 22:53

My wife and I both voted so don't forget your voting family

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 23:00

is it this one still?



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/2383.asp

oladapo


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 23:21

that would be great.lovely

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 00:10

I've signed it.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 00:26

see also



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/83863.asp

Lor49



Joined: 12/11/2009
Posts: 82

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 00:57

I tried to sign it, but we dont have a fixed abode in the UK anymore, so not allowed to sign it.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 00:57

So I take it you signed it PB

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 01:04

my point is

whether for or not

these things are made to placate the masses



if you believe they will take it seriously



do some research

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 07:14

Have signed.

Geoff

Famagusta City

Buddygirl


Joined: 22/11/2010
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 09:09

2 more added ...great stuff !!!

sunrise


Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 274

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 09:51

Mess 15, I put my Girne address and it was accepted

jool17


Joined: 29/05/2011
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 10:57

My wife and I both signed. Great idea.

Let us be optimistic. Keeps our hopes up

for fair play for the TRNC.

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:08

Message 17 - "If you believe they will take it seriously, do some research"

It certainly can't do any harm Phil.

I've also signed it.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:09

Simple choice really: do something or do nothing, it may work, it may not but at least it is worth a try. Surprising how many reasons can be found for doing nothing, apathy - the opium of the masses.



I signed immediately - TRNC is my home, reason enough to sign.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:45

back to top

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 11:54

signed it as well

dont forget to click on the link in your email box or it wont register



btt

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 12:01

come on guys easy action stop hanging around

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 12:21

back to top.......Please make sticky.

Monica52


Joined: 27/01/2012
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 12:50

2 more

signed up

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 12:55

You can sign the petition even if you live in TRNC as long you have not given up UK citizenship.

States clearly you have to be resident OR a UK citizen.

1friendly


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 76

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 13:13

We have signed so that's 2 more.



Seems fine to us.

Rickbald


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 13:14

I do, I am I have.



RB

BigBro


Joined: 31/08/2010
Posts: 66

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 13:31

Signed up......tell all your friends.

juel.h


Joined: 18/01/2011
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 14:27

two more from us

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 14:28

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/10/12/uk-britain-turkey-airline-idUKTRE69B2N820101012

The airline, which carries 100,000 visitors from Britain to the north of Cyprus each year, said the restrictions increase flight times, ticket prices and greenhouse gas emissions.

But three appeal court judges upheld the earlier ruling, saying that granting permits would contravene the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation.

It would also breach Britain's duty to respect the rights of the Republic of Cyprus, the judges added. The court ordered the airline and holiday company to pay the British and Cypriot governments' legal costs. The final bill is still be worked out.

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 14:34

Msg 34: Almost makes me ashamed to be British. What a load of plonkers these politicians are. They say they care about greenhouse gases and fly themselves at great expense all over the world.



Never thought I would admit this but I have lost all respect for the lawmakers and politicians in the UK. They, in turn, have lost all cohesion and common sense.



The UN put the sanctions on - surely it is within their remit to lift them, am I being niaive?



Stop the world I want to get off!

Jerseybean


Joined: 25/04/2011
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 14:44

Yep have signed

Lor49



Joined: 12/11/2009
Posts: 82

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 15:47

2 more signed up, thanks to message 20

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 16:29

100 signatures in 24 hours, lets' keep it up and don't forget to get your families and friends to sign up



great stuff all



Dave

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 19:35

How old is this petition, I got 7 family signatures for one but that is ages ago and just want to know how many petitions are on the go. If this one is the same one then I cannot sign but if it's new I can and will get my whole family to do it.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 19:38

Hi suehowlittle

This is a fairly recent proposal which ends in August this year, we have about 6 months to get 10000 petiioners to take it further and be debated in House of Commons. Please keep them coming and see if we can do something positive

Dave

Linnyloos


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 483

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 19:41

Just signed

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 21:56

signed along with a greek cypriot friend also signed, I think it is best if this link was placed on everyones FBook and twitter, with over 300,000Tc in the uk the number can be reached in a short while.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:04

One would have thought being a TRNC forum and owned by a TC this would have been made a sticky for a few weeks !

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:04

Signed by me and hubby

Tellis


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:26

Done. With over 16,000 members on here, should not take long - assuming each member has one ID on here.

Showing 321 signatures when I signed

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:36

very poor response still well less than 400

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:37

yet over 1600 views what an apathetic lot on here

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 22:39

Hi Erkin

Great idea, I put mine on facebook yesterday and have had a few comments already.

Currently trying to get all my family to register their vote

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 23:16

''yet over 1600 views what an apathetic lot on here''



Rocky, that might be because its a waste of time.



The 100,000 signatures forces parliament to debate the issue, not to support it, which it wont.

As a voter I would be miffed that my MP,and he will know this, was having to waste valuable time, in these dire economic times, talking about something that is irrelevant to most .

We are in the EU ,Greece and ROC is in the EU.UK cannot recognise TRNC even if we wanted to. The petty behaviour of both sides in the negotiations over the years also does not encourage anyone to give the time of day to the cyprus problem.

Tellis


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 23:28

As a voter I would be miffed that my MP,and he will know this, was having to waste valuable time, in these dire economic times, talking about something that is irrelevant to most



They could always discuss it in the bar instead of deciding that a certain drink 'top totty' should not be sold there!!

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 23:36

and one from me and one from himx

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 00:41

Hi Girne



The important thing is "have you voted?"

It isn't a waste of time because if it is debated in the Commons then the lies given to the Turkish Cypriots by the USA, UK and the UN that they would be rewarded for supporting the Annam agreement might be highlighted or at least getting some press coverage. It is only through constant pressure from groups such as ours that things may get better, we live in hope.



Dave

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 00:45

Girne



Also remember that your MP represents all his constituants, some might think it "is" important

Dave

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 02:02

....Following the receipt of an application from Kibris Turkish Airlines, the Government has carefully considered whether it would be possible to approve direct flights from the UK to Ercan airport in northern Cyprus. We have received clear legal advice that, under the terms of the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation, the Republic of Cyprus would first have to designate Ercan as an international airport. They have not done so, and we have concluded that to approve such flights would be incompatible with both our international obligations under the Chicago Convention and our domestic legal obligations.

http://www.embargoed.org/press_releases.php?id=102

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 02:06

msg 49, my point exactly

not just on this topic, on any topic

it it just to keep the public quiet



too many sheeples in this world

Arfur


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 4

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 10:02

2 more signatures here.



It must help to let officialdom know what (hopefully) at least 100,000 people here would like!

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 10:57

We had actually flown a cargo plane direct from Ercan to an airfield at or near Brighton (could have been Portsmouth), back in 1979 (delivering fresh vegetables to Cyprfruvex UK - New Covent Garden Market)!

I think there is a loophole in international aviation rules that one can use to get away with once in a while. But done on a regular basis would attract attention and probably cause it to be blocked too

Delivering cargo rather than passengers involves a lot less publicity, probably one of the reasons why it worked on that occasion. We stopped because it worked out to be a very expensive experience.

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 11:54

Back to top

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 12:44

Girne, Tellis



Are you the same person are have you just cut and pasted, more importantly "Have you voted?"

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 15:10

loobie



Dont have a clue what you are on about!



If your question is directed at me then No I havent voted and wont be.



As for it wont be a waste of time because it will be debated and the whole world will be told about the lies ,Thats a non starter. The debate is not a voluntary debate from MP's wishing to debate it,but a debate forced on MP's because of the 100,000 rule . As such it will be treated as an involuntary intrusion and dealt with as such.

British TC'S should do the lobbying and TRNC Brits would help more by silence , as their interest in signing could be miscontrued do have more to do with making our property purchases legal outside TRNC.

There will be nothing new that the world does not already know. Its not that the 'lies' are not known its that the rest of the world chooses not believe they are lies.

This could have been addressed years ago, but both sides have pi-s--d of the UN and the EU ,especially the GC's with their 'we are the centre of the universe'

Tellis


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 15:16

Yes I voted, as have immediate relations.

I had cut and pasted from Girne post - as stated, they always have plenty time to discuss unimportant things

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 15:40

mess60 cont



whats need before such a debate is a concerted PR job by a good PR company on behalf of Turkish Cypriots as to what the TRNC is and why its time for recognition.

Compared to ROC the TRNC are rank amateurs at PR.

When you mention Cyprus only the Greek part is thought of. Very few people even know Cyprus has a Turkish part. And where people have heard of NC its for the wrong reasons ,helped by the TRNC govt and aided by a UK press who only mentioned the TRNC in the context of, people fleeing UK justice, being offered a safe haven and , and the morality of British people buying refugee land .

TC refugees from the South have never had a fraction of the PR that GC' refugees have had.

Its no longer a haven for crooks, but is that shouted to the press?. The TRNC govt could also gain a bit of PR by ,while upholding the concept of exchange land ,accept that allowing unrestricted sale of that land to foreigners was wrong.

Explain better the Turkish armys role as protecto

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 17:00

girne 29........You couldn't be more negative and more wrong.

The world does not know the reality of what happened in 1960-1974 and the story should be told at every opportunity. That cannot happen without debate, public and private, parliamentary and media.

The fact that the TC PR is poor and should have started years ago, given as a reason by you for not now publicising their side is completely spurious.

If you think that you can do a better job then why don't you make relevant comments on the internet sites of Cyprus Mail, Famagusta Gazette, Cyprus News Report and PSEKA for instance ?

Or write to your MP....... Support 'Embargoed' and ATCA.....Post on Facebook.... and SIGN PETITIONS.



Doing nothing as you suggest is a surrender of any principles of fairness and justice !

This site is also at fault for not making this a 'sticky' and standing by it's own beliefs !........ Shame !

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 17:09

GJ wrote

"This site is also at fault for not making this a 'sticky' and standing by it's own beliefs !........ Shame ! "



I have to agree but perhaps if they rename the thread " Pictures of my pampered poodle" it will be at the top as a sticky :(

Tellis


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 17:13

Very good Turtle- however, if the board owner is unaware of this, which he may well be, he cannot make it a sticky.

Maybe if someone was to ask him - you never know!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 17:36

As of 24 august 2011

according to the daily mail

Thus far far two current petitions have beaten the 100,000 threshold.



One asks for 'Full government disclosure and publication of all documents, discussions and reports relating to the 1989 Hillsborough disaster' it has 126,387 signatures. It would be awkward for a Government that puts such stress on transparency to resist this demand.



Even more people, 218,995, have signed up to a demand that rioters should lose welfare benefits. It calls for "all financial benefits" to be removed which I doubt the Government will deliver

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 17:47

This is the umpteenth petition I will have signed in the last 8 years.



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/2383.asp



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/15168.asp



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/40302.asp



Plus embargoed petition too.



As well as the above, petitions have also been sent regarding direct flights. If I remember correctly there was as a result of a petition a debate and it met with a very cold reception. Perhaps rather than pressurising the UK Government to act there is a need to encourage the TRNC Government to prove that they deserve recognition and are worthy and capable of running their own country and its people effectively? This is not solely reliant on the UK but the actions of the TRNC Government too. Lots of recommendations made about the TRNC implementing certain standards which would have been beneficial to peoples quality of life simply ignored.



Who is it that actually wants recognition? The expats or the TRNC Government or Turkey?

northumbrian


Joined: 22/09/2008
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 21:30

Hi All - to keep this petition moving you need BT aware that someone has been able to post a competitive petition called No To Turkish Membership of Europe.

It reads:

No to Turkish Membership of Europe



Responsible department: Foreign and Commonwealth Office



There must never be consideration of Turkey becoming a member of Europe until it ceases it's illegal occupation of the puppet state of the TRNC and the north is returned to the legal government of the Republic of Cyprus.



Thankfully only 3 people have signed up to it BUT we need as many a possible to sign up to the one by Alan Tallant.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 21:33

Hi Turtle



I have sent an e-mail to the admin of this forum asking thread for this to be a sticky, as yet I have had no reply, but it was only yesterday



regards

Dave

millsy


Joined: 18/08/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 22:18

Hi all I have just signed it has up to date 398 signitures

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 23:12

Over 400 registered now in just 48 hours, great news, keep it going

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 23:31

Why is this not a sticky?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 23:31

At this rate only 12.000 hours to go

if the first was 48 hours ago

northumbrian


Joined: 22/09/2008
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
06/02/2012 16:06

loobie444 - Keep it going.



Ignore any sceptics such as this link for example

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/85287.asp

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
06/02/2012 18:57

keep trying as always - thanks

atumpy


Joined: 09/12/2010
Posts: 41

Message Posted:
06/02/2012 20:09

Ihave signed

northumbrian


Joined: 22/09/2008
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
06/02/2012 20:42

All correct, however a legal president was set against the Chicago Convention when the U.S. government gave permission for direct flights in to Taiwan.

So why one wonders, didn't the judiciary dig deeper before they passed judgement.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
06/02/2012 23:46

back to top

gloox


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 4

Message Posted:
07/02/2012 05:08

gloox. pleased to signed keep it going.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
07/02/2012 11:33

Now at 401 and growing ...

Mountain Edge



Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
07/02/2012 11:45

I've signed at it showed 451

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
07/02/2012 18:15

moving up, keep the votes coming

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
07/02/2012 23:18

back up please

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
07/02/2012 23:49

Oh for Gods Sake! How many are still living in the virtual world of the TRNC

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 07:39

If you are interested It may worthwhile to read a transcript of a debate held in the House of Lords on the 1st feb 2012.



http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2012-02-01a.1564.7&s=speaker%3A10406

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 11:26

some interesting points, thanks for this info.

What always amazes me is that if you are a breakaway soviet country (Kosovo for instance) you are instantly recognised by the rest of the world but no such luxury for TRNC

Sundance


Joined: 15/07/2010
Posts: 213

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 12:28

Have just put my sig to it,



Sundance

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 13:42

The "talks" may well be over by the end of this e-petition (oops, a piggy just flew past the window...) and by then there may be a different perspective on NC by the "international community". For now, such petitions appear as a vain wish. The next biggest event in the region this year will keep everyone more than busy to bother about Cyprus anyway. It is reported that Israel will most probably strike out at Iran before Iran enters a stage of "nuclear immunity" - to be able to produce a nuclear bomb.

On the other hand, may lesser causes have been addressed under the cover of other bad news (!).

Millwall123


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 16:45

Message 85............interesting, thank you for posting

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 20:23

back to top

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 21:19

Msg 85, very interesting ,

well done



May I ask is it the whole dialouge ?

devonboy


Joined: 12/11/2010
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 22:04

have also just signed it, about time, looking forward to returning to TRNC in june

lippylush


Joined: 29/12/2006
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 23:42

just signed up x 3. Keep it going everyone.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 01:06

Still not heard from admin@cyprus44 as to whether we can have a sticky on this thread

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 11:15

It is only polite to replyto you to say why they will not make it a sticky

Alyth


Joined: 07/10/2011
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 14:04

Hello have just signed the petition for recognition of TRNC by United Kingdom and was sad to read that only 498 signatures were lodged. This petition ends 25th August 2012. Please can more people who love this place kindly sign.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 20:06

Thanks alyth, still going up, we have had about 400 this week

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 20:16

What a good way for the government

to collect e-mails

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 11:16

back to top

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 11:28

How amazing that Cyprus44 organisers find that making a picnic a sticky is much more important than getting recognition for Northern Cyprus by the British Government and thus contribute to an increase in revenue from tourists etc for Northern Cyprus.

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 11:59

Just signed the petition. It's around the 500+ mark at the moment.



All the best.

MussyLapta


Joined: 09/02/2012
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 12:19

Signed and shared to others.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 13:29

Isabella msg100



I totally agree with your comments but it is clear to all that the issue in question appears to be of little interest to the TC owner and admin on this board,...............sad really.



perhaps the next important petition in support of NC may not get as much attention.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
10/02/2012 18:12

Hi Isobella, my thoughts entirely, I haven't even had a reply from the admin of the forum to my request last week



regards

Dave

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 00:59

over 500 now

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 02:16

Hope you do better than this guy

who had media coverage





e-petition

REVIEW THE SMOKING BAN



Responsible department: Department of Health



We petition the Government to review the impact of the smoking ban on pubs and clubs and consider an amendment that would give licensees the option of separate well-ventilated smoking rooms.

Sign this petition



Number of signatures:

5,079

Created by:

Antony Worrall Thompson

Closing:

22/08/2012

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 02:30

Why were the last 5 petitions rejected?



http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/search?q=cyprus&state=rejected

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 05:55

Msg 104 , as you all know it is only Izzet that can make it a sticky , so on this occasion the admin to respond would have been Izzet , this is not an excuse but i do know he is really busy with his work committments , i have resent your request on to him . By the way petition signed by 4 in our household

Simbas

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 12:46

keep it going

silcuty21


Joined: 24/05/2010
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 13:34

Hi All



why are you all wasting time talking about this



it will never happen for a long time



1-no recognition

2-no direct flights



sylv

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 14:28

message 110, a mother said to her son in Libya, "don't go to that demonstration, you know nothing will come of it, Gadaffi always wins"

never say never

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 14:44

Would women have ever had the vote in the UK if suffragettes had heeded those who said: "why are you all wasting time talking about this, it will never happen for a long time".



It must be good to keep the issue alive. We now do have a mechanism in the UK whereby people can force the Government to discuss an issue in Parliament.



Every little helps. Doing nothing doesn't.

silcuty21


Joined: 24/05/2010
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 15:12

message 111



that my point if the USA AND GB AND THEIR FREINDS WANT CHANGE IT WILL HAPPEN

NOT WITH OUR FEW SIGNATURES I SADLY HAVE TO SAY AND THE CHANGE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE

CERTAINLY WONT HAPPEN.



BY THE WAY WHAT CHANGED IN LIBYA OR EYGPT OR IRAQ THEY WANTED ALL THIS CHANGE IT WAS HAILED AS THE ARAB SPRING BUT WHAT CHANGED NOTING JUST A NEW REGIME ASK THE PEOPLE



LETS NOT BE NAIVE TO THE TRUTH BUT HEY IF THATS YOUR THING DO IT SIGN YOUR PETITIONS

MAYBE JUST MAYBE



SYLV

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 15:40

Simbas msg108.



Not too busy to make Elko's picnic party a sticky ?

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
12/02/2012 12:08

keep it going

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
12/02/2012 12:09

Please sign and encourage your relatives and friends to also sign.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
12/02/2012 22:29

Well said Isabella, get all family and friends to sign

loobie444



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Posts: 91

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 12:58

back up please

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 20:46

Msg 77, US nor any other country never gave permission for direct fligths to/from Taiwan, Taiwan International Airport was already registred by China as an International Aiport prior to Taiwan breakaway from China, also point out that Taiwan Nationals do not travel overseas as an independent country, if you care to check the immigration act of 1996. All flight operated to and from Taiwan are given permission by Bejing and all flights operating to and from Taiwan must first get flight rights Beijing, otherwise they can not get a flight over Rights from any other country.

If the UK CAA granted the right of direct flight to/from Ercan would mean that they can fly to all other E.U airport under the Eurozone, if they did this, it would have to then legally argue as to why Turkey will not allow Cyprus Airline to Fly over Turkish Airport, don't forget that under international Rules Ercan is in Cyprus Airzone and all flights flying into Laranca via TRNC space only contact Ercan as a courtesy.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:46

119 very interesting

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:09

msg 120, There is nothing interesting about it, facts are facts. IATA and Eurzone control centre control all flights with-in Europe and Cyprus is part of the Eurozone ATC.

All of the flights for arrival and departure is the same, everyone is under the impression that, we just get on a plane and take off )) well it does not work that way in the sky. Even a flight from Ercan to Turkey must first get clearance from Brussels before it can depart from Ercan, the only difference that since 74 has done is put Ercan flight path under Ankara ATC in order to avoid an accient.

tighmonadh


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:36

Re Msg 119



As a former airline pilot who flew in and out of Larnaca and Paphos many times routing through Turkish airspace I can tell you that the calls we made to Ercan were anything but courtesy calls. They were necessary to ensure that we had up to date information on traffic arriving and departing from Ercan. As I recall, Ercan ATC was always very helpful and courteous.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:42

Message 121 Facts can be interesting,thats why I said it, it's good to know how things work.

Maybe you don't think your'e facts are interesting, maybe your'e not interesting

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 16:02

msg 122: the bottom line is that Ercan ATC is linked to Ankara ATC and all the info given to you via Ercan is more from Ankara then Ercan itself.



As fas as I am aware on Aeroflot flights departing Larnaca would fly over karpaz and onto Ankara ATC, all other departures from paphos and Larnaca would not need to flyover TRNC airspace.



Doesn't the flight path from larnaca and Paphos go over Rhodes ATC first before being handed over to Turkish ATC.

Aysesdaddy



Joined: 21/03/2009
Posts: 392

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 17:37

Have signed

tighmonadh


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 12:12

Re Msg124



It is correct that Ercan and Ankara are linked but the information on aircraft in the Ercan control zone is more immediate from Ercan; this is important because your aircraft will be climbing or descending in close proximity to this control zone. It is also useful to establish if their is no conflicting traffic so that an early handover to Ankara can be made to obtain a more direct route; heading east south of the Panhandle is exactly the opposite direction you want when you are flying back to Gatwick !



Flying back to the UK via Rhodes is one option(not the most direct). The most usual is via Antalya.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 23:18

over 600 this past week, keep it going

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
18/02/2012 11:32

back to top please

marymary


Joined: 31/08/2010
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
18/02/2012 13:24

Oh dear well meaning Brits! There is more hope or opening a brewery in Saudi than this getting anywhere. There is one thing I have learnt about the GC's is that they are educated, fanatical and persistant, they swot the TC's everytime and the TC's themselves never miss a chance to miss a chance. The TRNC has no economy and the few options they have have been squandered by a supine and incompetant administration. Property, tourism, rule of law and meaningful redress should be the headings for a plan to create an economy. Being 'open for business' would help but there is no understanding that an economy needs to create wealth. Whilst living in the TRNC I assumed that the Finance Ministry was being run by the GC's, they could have not made a better job of ruining the TRNC.

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
18/02/2012 18:52

In defence of the TC I think they are doing quite well under very difficult circumstances. Not many other countries have their han ds tied like they have. They cannot operate like the GCs are able to. if more countries/people tried to work with them and not against them it would help.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
18/02/2012 18:56

Very comendable words Isabella,... however a TC owns this board and refuses to make this thread a sticky why would he not do that ?

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
18/02/2012 18:59

not only that but I haven't even had the decency of a reply

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
18/02/2012 22:07

Could I please ask Admin to reply on this Forum as to why this was not made a sticky?

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
18/02/2012 23:10

or why they couldn't even reply to my e-mail

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 01:58

Pay a tenner a day for a sticky

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 21:36

Back to the top

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 21:46

Nearly 650 signatures

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
20/02/2012 17:16

keep em coming

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
21/02/2012 01:31

Signed it

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
21/02/2012 14:25

well done smity, don't forget to get family and friends to sign, as long as they have seperate e-mail addresses

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 01:44

keep it going

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 18:41

Back to the top

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 15:37

Please vote and get your family to also vote

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 20:53

Now over 900 and rising, should reach 1000 by the weekend

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 21:37

the uk will recognise north cyprus once the oil/gas has been located , in fact they will swear an oath with turkey to drive the greeks out of cyprus altogether , for the drilling rights of course .

Baydweller


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
24/02/2012 12:40

One more signature here

camster


Joined: 07/02/2008
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
24/02/2012 13:22

signed. c`mon people, we need this to over 100000 to get it debated.

lippylush


Joined: 29/12/2006
Posts: 197

Message Posted:
24/02/2012 13:46

Back to the Top keep signing everyone

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
24/02/2012 21:29

Back to the top

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/02/2012 21:31

Still not a "sticky" then :(

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
25/02/2012 00:57

still no reply to my e-mail yet, I should have sent a letter 2nd class and possibly got more joy

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
25/02/2012 22:54

Back to the top

efe92


Joined: 20/02/2012
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
25/02/2012 23:21

good . i appreciated

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
26/02/2012 12:35

just a couple more to reach 1000

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
26/02/2012 22:16

lets keep it going

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
26/02/2012 22:31

Long way to go to reach 100,000 :-(

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 14:56

10,000 not 100,000 I think

Now past 1000

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 15:09

It is 100,000



it is even explained on this very thread

Millwall123


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 16:00

Why on earth would you want direct flights?



Have you seen the scum that flies into ayia napa every year? Do you want any of that up here?



Most are quite happy with the status quo thank you very much.



100,000?........never in a million years and even then it couldn't happen under existing agreed UN rules.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 16:02

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062052/E-petitions-Senior-MPs-want-make-harder-people-say.html



Might be worth reading this

tonyf


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 16:32

Back to top

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 15:29

Make today the day you sign the petition

segmen


Joined: 05/12/2008
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 17:44

It was 1012 before I signed for it

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 19:16

That's super - I am sure if everyone who came on Cyprus44 signed it along with a couple of their relatives we would soon get to the magic figure. We could then see what the UK Government would do - would they debate it and if so how would it be received - come on everyone let us make a big effort.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 21:55

Millwall the scum that you are refering too are the people who leave money in the country, take those very scum away and the tourasim in the south dies, even though we don't want that kind of people, we still need people to come here and spend money, are you aware that last year over 112,000 people just from the UK alone flew into Laranaca and transfered to the north, boosting the Gc economy with over 10 million euros into the GC goverment pockets.

What you don't seem relise that eveytime a person uses Larnaca or Paphos airports to fly to/from those airport, people are helping the Gc Goverment. Your airport taxes go directly to the Gc goverment

Without direct flights it is starving the north of the much need tourist. People who come to the north on a day trip, do not leave any money, if you stand and watch the numbers at ledra street crossing, they come over just for the sake of getting a stamp wow we entered into an illegal country and got a stamp to show for it.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 22:07

msg164, take away the double / triple ids , we would be an army of 1000 , best bet it to wait at any uk border crossing and get the new uk citizens to sign it , they will oblige no questions asked , but will be really gutted when the giro fails to pop thru the letter box ,



ps , be careful what you wish for ?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 22:15

Msg165, quite ironic those figures

when the OP only flies to the South

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
02/03/2012 12:22

Back to the top

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
02/03/2012 14:04

Miiwall 123

"Most are quite happy with the status quo thank you very much"



and thats whats wrong in NC. We know lots of Brits ,expats, lawyers, politicians ,estate agents ,builders, are happy with the staus quo.,but have you asked the average TC many of whom work in tourism and associated business and who will never be able to get his face in the corruption trough, whether they want change.



As for not welcoming Mr Average tourist( ''the scum'' ), Pity TRNC wasnt so unwelcoming to all the criminal tourists invited here.Maybe living in a corrupt environment has altered our perception of what is meant by scum.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
02/03/2012 16:39

Signed up 1,030 names at present!

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 22:53

back to top

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 23:06

Just over 98,000 to go

at a 1000 a month ?

ceviz10


Joined: 23/10/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
06/03/2012 15:31

hi ismet you seem very well informed about things in TRNC

Can you tell me if someone with a TRNC kimlik card,marries

mainland turk,will thier spouse also get kimlik.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
06/03/2012 21:26

If the person holding the kimlik of TRNC is a Tc then yes the spouse will get the nationality after 3 years, but if the holder is not a Tc and has been given an ID as the 2nd nationality then it will take longer for the spouse to become a TRNC national.

for ex

if you are british but Tc parents by birth your TRNC ID is classed as 1st nationality and your spouse will get a TRNC nationality in 3 years, if the spouse parents are not of Tc origin.



if you are british but No Tc parents then your TRNC ID is classed as 2nd nationality and takes around 5-6 years before your spouse can get an ID by nationality.

loobie444



Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 19:13

total creeping up

ronjeremy


Joined: 07/03/2012
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 19:23

Guys a thousand a month will not get you a debate , unless they keep it open for a hundred months ,but what a great way for the government to collect personal details and e-mails .

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 16:41

I am always intrigues to see new people coming on with their usual negative comments - me thinks they are only the other older ones who always like to give negative comments under a new name

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 18:24

Got our votes x 4

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 18:59

Mess 85: Thank you so much for this link. It certainly clarified a few points for me. How did you discover that it was going to be debated in the first place.



I would like to keep an eye on it in the future.